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Complaint Review: Citizen's Bank - Cranston Rhode Island

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Dear sirs, I have never found it necessary to write a grievance letter before. Infact I would have written sooner had I realized my attempts to resolve this issue were nothing short of futile.

September 8 2008 the Incident took place at citizen's bank on Park Ave in Cranston RI. I went in to the bank to make a withdrawal for the amount of 260.00 dollars to pay a bill. I then asked the teller for a receipt. She informed that they didn't give receipts with withdrawals, but she would write down my account balance for me. I was then handed a post it which read 180.00 dollars. I left the bank believing that. Over the course of the next 2 days I used my debit card spending no more than 50 dollars on little odds and ends. I then proceeded to check my bank account balance by phone. Much to my dismay not only was my account over drawn by 50.00 dollars it also had accumulated over 500.00ollars in just over draft fees. I could not believe my ears. I immediately contacted the bank to square away the situation. Unfortunately I got absolutely nowhere. I was told that although the bank gave me inaccurate information it didn't matter because I should have written it all down. My point is I always check my account either online or by phone. I do not keep a log of checks due to the fact that I don't have checks I only use a debit card. This was the first issue I ever had with this bank. I firmly believe that I am being treated unfairly. Think about this really, 500 dollars for 50dollars of charges after I asked for the available balance. What did they think I was just kidding when I asked them? I ask and check constantly because our family lives pay check to pay check due to the fact my husband was in an accident making me the sole provider for our household. I'm sorry, this seems absolutely ludicrous to me. I can't help but think of the other unfortunate people struggling in today's economy especially the elderly and disabled. I wonder who's helping them with their finances who's making sure there not being taken advantage of .How long would something like this go on for before anyone even noticed? But I digress. Normally if I had the money I would pay them off and be done with it. Well this time is different. As I mentioned early I am the sole provider of this household that also includes our 16 year old son. Why should I pay the bank more money than I make in a week for a mistake that I honestly believe was not my fault.

I would sincerely appreciate your help and support concerning this matter. If it were up to me I would say the fairest way to resolve this issue would be for me to pay the bank back the original 50 dollars excluding the 500 dollars in extra fees.I would also like my situation to be acknowledged by check systems so my credit will not be affected. I would be grateful if I could have your assistance concerning this .citizens won't even acknowledge that this might be an unfair practice. They only seemed to shift the blame back to me retorting with you can't believe your online account balance and you can't count on the bank to know your correct balance. Well if that is in fact true then the bank shouldn't be telling people information they know for a fact may very well be inaccurate. Haven't the banks been bailed out enough? Thank so much for taking the time to read this and giving me the opportunity to have a voice I can only hope my humble message is heard. I'm hoping to resolve this matter before deeming it necessary to contact various media sources.

meghan
cranston, Rhode Island
U.S.A.

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#6 Consumer Suggestion

How to avoid OD/NSF fees.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Using an account register and reconciling that register with a monthly account statement from the bank will prevent any account holder from causing any NSF/OD fees.

The majority (if not all) of the reports I've read about NSF/OD fees have common behaviors of the account holders:

using atm cards for everyday purchases.
using more than ONE card attached to the account (husband and wife)
using atm cards for online purchases.
using atm cards for 'auto-bill pay' (autodebits)
relying upon telephone or online account balances to determine what money is available for that shopping trip to Walmart.
*NOT using an account register.
*not reconciling an account register with the scheduled monthly account statement generated by the bank.

Ways to avoid these NSF/OD fees:

1. Use an account register and reconcile the account register with a monthly written statement generated by the bank. If the bank is not mailing statements, contact customer service to have monthly statements MAILED to you.

1a. Be aware of ATM fees, such as the 'non-bank ATM fee' that most banks charge when you use an ATM that is not owned by your bank to make a withdrawal and post that fee in your account register immediately.

1b. Also be aware of any monthly 'account service fee' charged by your bank and post that to your register on the appropriate date.

2. Do NOT GIVE bank account information (or ATM card info) to any merchant, service provider, utility, online service to pay for services and goods. Use a REAL credit card for this purpose (either secured cc or unsecured cc.) Do not setup any automatic deposit to an account that is attached to said cc-NO auto payments to CC company-mail a check each month. If the entity demanding payment makes a mistake, you're gonna have a host of problems and risk OD/NSF fees.

3. Do NOT use an ATM card for everyday expenses-USE CASH. Establish a monthly budget and withdrawal a weekly 'allowance' for every day expenses such as 'milk and bread' from the corner store, Burger King, etc. This will reduce the amount of transactions on the bank account which in turn makes RECONCILING the account and detecting ERRORS easier to accomplish. Again, if the entity demanding payment makes a mistake, you're gonna risk NSF/OD fees.

4. Do not shop with the ATM card-use a real credit card. A real credit card offers protections that you don't have with an ATM card. If the merchant/service makes a mistake, you can dispute it with the CC company WITHOUT getting any OD/NSF. Not true if you use an ATM card-if the merchant makes a mistake, your money is gone until you can convince your bank to give it back, as well as OD/NSF fees.

5. ONLY ONE ATM CARD to one account. Do NOT have 2 or more atm cards for one bank account. Having 'his and hers' ATM cards attached to the same account is the same as in the old days when some folks would have 2 checkbooks for writing checks. It was an invitation to disaster then, and it is today.

6. Verify that deposits to the account have actually cleared. Deposits can take anywhere between 1 and 5 BUSINESS days to clear depending on the type and/or source of the deposit.

The Federal Reserve publishes a Consumer Compliance Handbook which gives detailed information about what banks can and cannot do with deposits, holds, and funds availability. You can download this handbook at http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/supmanual/cch/200711/cch200711.pdf

Follow ALL of these suggestions and you will NEVER pay an OD/NSF fee again unless it is a LEGITIMATE bank error, and then the bank will gladly and quickly rectify the situation and credit any fees generated as well as contact payees and cover any fees the payees assess to you.

This is a tried and true method to avoid these fees. It works EVERY TIME it's tried.

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#5 Consumer Suggestion

How to avoid OD/NSF fees.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Using an account register and reconciling that register with a monthly account statement from the bank will prevent any account holder from causing any NSF/OD fees.

The majority (if not all) of the reports I've read about NSF/OD fees have common behaviors of the account holders:

using atm cards for everyday purchases.
using more than ONE card attached to the account (husband and wife)
using atm cards for online purchases.
using atm cards for 'auto-bill pay' (autodebits)
relying upon telephone or online account balances to determine what money is available for that shopping trip to Walmart.
*NOT using an account register.
*not reconciling an account register with the scheduled monthly account statement generated by the bank.

Ways to avoid these NSF/OD fees:

1. Use an account register and reconcile the account register with a monthly written statement generated by the bank. If the bank is not mailing statements, contact customer service to have monthly statements MAILED to you.

1a. Be aware of ATM fees, such as the 'non-bank ATM fee' that most banks charge when you use an ATM that is not owned by your bank to make a withdrawal and post that fee in your account register immediately.

1b. Also be aware of any monthly 'account service fee' charged by your bank and post that to your register on the appropriate date.

2. Do NOT GIVE bank account information (or ATM card info) to any merchant, service provider, utility, online service to pay for services and goods. Use a REAL credit card for this purpose (either secured cc or unsecured cc.) Do not setup any automatic deposit to an account that is attached to said cc-NO auto payments to CC company-mail a check each month. If the entity demanding payment makes a mistake, you're gonna have a host of problems and risk OD/NSF fees.

3. Do NOT use an ATM card for everyday expenses-USE CASH. Establish a monthly budget and withdrawal a weekly 'allowance' for every day expenses such as 'milk and bread' from the corner store, Burger King, etc. This will reduce the amount of transactions on the bank account which in turn makes RECONCILING the account and detecting ERRORS easier to accomplish. Again, if the entity demanding payment makes a mistake, you're gonna risk NSF/OD fees.

4. Do not shop with the ATM card-use a real credit card. A real credit card offers protections that you don't have with an ATM card. If the merchant/service makes a mistake, you can dispute it with the CC company WITHOUT getting any OD/NSF. Not true if you use an ATM card-if the merchant makes a mistake, your money is gone until you can convince your bank to give it back, as well as OD/NSF fees.

5. ONLY ONE ATM CARD to one account. Do NOT have 2 or more atm cards for one bank account. Having 'his and hers' ATM cards attached to the same account is the same as in the old days when some folks would have 2 checkbooks for writing checks. It was an invitation to disaster then, and it is today.

6. Verify that deposits to the account have actually cleared. Deposits can take anywhere between 1 and 5 BUSINESS days to clear depending on the type and/or source of the deposit.

The Federal Reserve publishes a Consumer Compliance Handbook which gives detailed information about what banks can and cannot do with deposits, holds, and funds availability. You can download this handbook at http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/supmanual/cch/200711/cch200711.pdf

Follow ALL of these suggestions and you will NEVER pay an OD/NSF fee again unless it is a LEGITIMATE bank error, and then the bank will gladly and quickly rectify the situation and credit any fees generated as well as contact payees and cover any fees the payees assess to you.

This is a tried and true method to avoid these fees. It works EVERY TIME it's tried.

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#4 Consumer Suggestion

How to avoid OD/NSF fees.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Using an account register and reconciling that register with a monthly account statement from the bank will prevent any account holder from causing any NSF/OD fees.

The majority (if not all) of the reports I've read about NSF/OD fees have common behaviors of the account holders:

using atm cards for everyday purchases.
using more than ONE card attached to the account (husband and wife)
using atm cards for online purchases.
using atm cards for 'auto-bill pay' (autodebits)
relying upon telephone or online account balances to determine what money is available for that shopping trip to Walmart.
*NOT using an account register.
*not reconciling an account register with the scheduled monthly account statement generated by the bank.

Ways to avoid these NSF/OD fees:

1. Use an account register and reconcile the account register with a monthly written statement generated by the bank. If the bank is not mailing statements, contact customer service to have monthly statements MAILED to you.

1a. Be aware of ATM fees, such as the 'non-bank ATM fee' that most banks charge when you use an ATM that is not owned by your bank to make a withdrawal and post that fee in your account register immediately.

1b. Also be aware of any monthly 'account service fee' charged by your bank and post that to your register on the appropriate date.

2. Do NOT GIVE bank account information (or ATM card info) to any merchant, service provider, utility, online service to pay for services and goods. Use a REAL credit card for this purpose (either secured cc or unsecured cc.) Do not setup any automatic deposit to an account that is attached to said cc-NO auto payments to CC company-mail a check each month. If the entity demanding payment makes a mistake, you're gonna have a host of problems and risk OD/NSF fees.

3. Do NOT use an ATM card for everyday expenses-USE CASH. Establish a monthly budget and withdrawal a weekly 'allowance' for every day expenses such as 'milk and bread' from the corner store, Burger King, etc. This will reduce the amount of transactions on the bank account which in turn makes RECONCILING the account and detecting ERRORS easier to accomplish. Again, if the entity demanding payment makes a mistake, you're gonna risk NSF/OD fees.

4. Do not shop with the ATM card-use a real credit card. A real credit card offers protections that you don't have with an ATM card. If the merchant/service makes a mistake, you can dispute it with the CC company WITHOUT getting any OD/NSF. Not true if you use an ATM card-if the merchant makes a mistake, your money is gone until you can convince your bank to give it back, as well as OD/NSF fees.

5. ONLY ONE ATM CARD to one account. Do NOT have 2 or more atm cards for one bank account. Having 'his and hers' ATM cards attached to the same account is the same as in the old days when some folks would have 2 checkbooks for writing checks. It was an invitation to disaster then, and it is today.

6. Verify that deposits to the account have actually cleared. Deposits can take anywhere between 1 and 5 BUSINESS days to clear depending on the type and/or source of the deposit.

The Federal Reserve publishes a Consumer Compliance Handbook which gives detailed information about what banks can and cannot do with deposits, holds, and funds availability. You can download this handbook at http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/supmanual/cch/200711/cch200711.pdf

Follow ALL of these suggestions and you will NEVER pay an OD/NSF fee again unless it is a LEGITIMATE bank error, and then the bank will gladly and quickly rectify the situation and credit any fees generated as well as contact payees and cover any fees the payees assess to you.

This is a tried and true method to avoid these fees. It works EVERY TIME it's tried.

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#3 Consumer Comment

So true

AUTHOR: Diogenes - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Anyone who doesn't keep a register of their deposits and expenditures is a complete fool. It's no one's fault but YOURS !! You did it to yourself. KEEP A REGISTER, Girlie, or you'll be going through the same thing for your entire life, and as an extra added attraction, you will probably wind up in jail. Geeeezzzzz.

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#2 Consumer Suggestion

Avoiding overdraft fees

AUTHOR: Maggie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, June 22, 2009

Hon, charging you overdraft fees when you overdraw your account is NOT a ripoff. The bank has no way of knowing what debits/checks you've done that may not have been presented to it yet.
Anyone who lives paycheck to paycheck should know better than to expect someone ELSE to keep track of your money for you. Until you start keeping an accurate register yourself, this will happen to you at any bank or credit union. It is YOUR responsibility to know how much you've spent and how much is left.
The only thing online and phone checks of available balance are good for is to watch for anything unauthorized so that you can nip it in the bud.

So take this as a learning experience, get your account register set up NOW, and take responsibility for your own finances.

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

Avoiding overdraft fees

AUTHOR: Maggie - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, June 22, 2009

Hon, charging you overdraft fees when you overdraw your account is NOT a ripoff. The bank has no way of knowing what debits/checks you've done that may not have been presented to it yet.
Anyone who lives paycheck to paycheck should know better than to expect someone ELSE to keep track of your money for you. Until you start keeping an accurate register yourself, this will happen to you at any bank or credit union. It is YOUR responsibility to know how much you've spent and how much is left.
The only thing online and phone checks of available balance are good for is to watch for anything unauthorized so that you can nip it in the bud.

So take this as a learning experience, get your account register set up NOW, and take responsibility for your own finances.

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