Devry University BA & MBA is Bunch OF BULL SH*%!! Pomona, Long Beach California

I am currently attending Keller and earning my MBA. I went to USC and Cal State Northridge for my Undergraduate studies. The classes are excellent, provocative, inspiring, and definitely rigorous. I am offended by some of these baseless and outright malicious statements made in these posting. I always say that before rendering a judgment, get all the facts.

I will not lower myself to respond to the fallacious statements made by so many on this site. My experience is that in general, those who cannot "make it" or are not willing to "do what it takes" will sometimes blame others instead of facing their own demons. Stop blaming others for your own failings. It is time to grow up. 

I am very proud to be a student at Keller and I feel that the DeVry organization is top notch. 

By the way, the University of Southern California now charges more than $1300.00 per unit for undergrad and their classes are four units not three. For those who did not pass the University math entrance exam, that is $5200.00 for one class. 

DeVry is a fraction of that price and I can earn my degree in less time. 

First off, the Goverment in the United States does have the final say in whether a school can operate as a college or university.

The university is accredited and employers do value it. What they might not value is the candidate in front of them who are on "RipOff Report" bad mouthing the school they attended because they don't know who else to blame.

It's what you make out of it and thanks to people like you, the school is always trying to defend itself from these slanderous statements. I agree that there is problems to be fixed but blaming a "school" isn't the best strategy. The university has over 50,000 students nationwide and thousands graduate every year.

In this tough economy, only the strong survive. Are you strong? Or do you want a degree to make you strong? Be realistic and come one....rip off report?

Cheers!

First off, the Goverment in the United States does have the final say in whether a school can operate as a college or university.

The university is accredited and employers do value it. What they might not value is the candidate in front of them who are on "RipOff Report" bad mouthing the school they attended because they don't know who else to blame.

It's what you make out of it and thanks to people like you, the school is always trying to defend itself from these slanderous statements. I agree that there is problems to be fixed but blaming a "school" isn't the best strategy. The university has over 50,000 students nationwide and thousands graduate every year.

In this tough economy, only the strong survive. Are you strong? Or do you want a degree to make you strong? Be realistic and come one....rip off report?

Cheers!

First off, the Goverment in the United States does have the final say in whether a school can operate as a college or university.

The university is accredited and employers do value it. What they might not value is the candidate in front of them who are on "RipOff Report" bad mouthing the school they attended because they don't know who else to blame.

It's what you make out of it and thanks to people like you, the school is always trying to defend itself from these slanderous statements. I agree that there is problems to be fixed but blaming a "school" isn't the best strategy. The university has over 50,000 students nationwide and thousands graduate every year.

In this tough economy, only the strong survive. Are you strong? Or do you want a degree to make you strong? Be realistic and come one....rip off report?

Cheers!

I went to DrVry back in the 1970's. They are still offering the same empty promises.
Bad instruction, and incomplete studies now.

To make a long long story short. After I had a lawyer and began to sue them. They forgave the debt. I began suit after they pulled a quick turnaround on some legal print contrary to written class instruction.

They also never told me of the countless other fees and charges associated with taking the classes. Which was charged to me by DrVry.

After they had gave me written instruction on one of the test I needed to take, (at an extra charge). I did so. The test could not be passed based on the instructions I received in classes. The classes did not cover in no way the theory or applications that were questioned in the test.

I challenged the test and its application to the classes. They responded that if I did not pass that test, they would not have to honor the job placement, money refund, or other promises made by them. Loop hole here. You do not pass the test, they do not honor contract. (See fine print on page two at the bottom, is what I was told).

After going over the contract with legal eyes reading it. It was discovered that the written instruction to take the test as many times as necessary to pass it was in conflict with the fine print on page two.

So I and many others were given refunds back then. In fact the Federal Government sued DrVry and offered the settlements.

I still had to go and take 4 more years of courses to get my diplomas, Federal and State licenses. At least DrVry did not get to rip me off and keep the cash over a three year period.

In conclusion. The course study materials did not cover the topics as advertised. The study was lacking in depth of theory and actual application. Many of the examples given in the books were incorrect. Much of the course study was lacking in detail.

Even if I had finished the full DrVry course of study. I would still have to go out and enroll in a course to get the full theory and applications needed by my employer.

For the charges they require for a course now. $40,000 and up. One might as well go to the local University or College and get a real diploma.

Just to let you know. Same old scam, same old DrVry. Read your contracts. Keep all written instructions given to you. Keep all test papers returned. Keep any communication to and from them in writing. Make copies and store them in a safe place. Should you decide to continue DrVry.

I went to DrVry back in the 1970's. They are still offering the same empty promises.
Bad instruction, and incomplete studies now.

To make a long long story short. After I had a lawyer and began to sue them. They forgave the debt. I began suit after they pulled a quick turnaround on some legal print contrary to written class instruction.

They also never told me of the countless other fees and charges associated with taking the classes. Which was charged to me by DrVry.

After they had gave me written instruction on one of the test I needed to take, (at an extra charge). I did so. The test could not be passed based on the instructions I received in classes. The classes did not cover in no way the theory or applications that were questioned in the test.

I challenged the test and its application to the classes. They responded that if I did not pass that test, they would not have to honor the job placement, money refund, or other promises made by them. Loop hole here. You do not pass the test, they do not honor contract. (See fine print on page two at the bottom, is what I was told).

After going over the contract with legal eyes reading it. It was discovered that the written instruction to take the test as many times as necessary to pass it was in conflict with the fine print on page two.

So I and many others were given refunds back then. In fact the Federal Government sued DrVry and offered the settlements.

I still had to go and take 4 more years of courses to get my diplomas, Federal and State licenses. At least DrVry did not get to rip me off and keep the cash over a three year period.

In conclusion. The course study materials did not cover the topics as advertised. The study was lacking in depth of theory and actual application. Many of the examples given in the books were incorrect. Much of the course study was lacking in detail.

Even if I had finished the full DrVry course of study. I would still have to go out and enroll in a course to get the full theory and applications needed by my employer.

For the charges they require for a course now. $40,000 and up. One might as well go to the local University or College and get a real diploma.

Just to let you know. Same old scam, same old DrVry. Read your contracts. Keep all written instructions given to you. Keep all test papers returned. Keep any communication to and from them in writing. Make copies and store them in a safe place. Should you decide to continue DrVry.

I went to DrVry back in the 1970's. They are still offering the same empty promises.
Bad instruction, and incomplete studies now.

To make a long long story short. After I had a lawyer and began to sue them. They forgave the debt. I began suit after they pulled a quick turnaround on some legal print contrary to written class instruction.

They also never told me of the countless other fees and charges associated with taking the classes. Which was charged to me by DrVry.

After they had gave me written instruction on one of the test I needed to take, (at an extra charge). I did so. The test could not be passed based on the instructions I received in classes. The classes did not cover in no way the theory or applications that were questioned in the test.

I challenged the test and its application to the classes. They responded that if I did not pass that test, they would not have to honor the job placement, money refund, or other promises made by them. Loop hole here. You do not pass the test, they do not honor contract. (See fine print on page two at the bottom, is what I was told).

After going over the contract with legal eyes reading it. It was discovered that the written instruction to take the test as many times as necessary to pass it was in conflict with the fine print on page two.

So I and many others were given refunds back then. In fact the Federal Government sued DrVry and offered the settlements.

I still had to go and take 4 more years of courses to get my diplomas, Federal and State licenses. At least DrVry did not get to rip me off and keep the cash over a three year period.

In conclusion. The course study materials did not cover the topics as advertised. The study was lacking in depth of theory and actual application. Many of the examples given in the books were incorrect. Much of the course study was lacking in detail.

Even if I had finished the full DrVry course of study. I would still have to go out and enroll in a course to get the full theory and applications needed by my employer.

For the charges they require for a course now. $40,000 and up. One might as well go to the local University or College and get a real diploma.

Just to let you know. Same old scam, same old DrVry. Read your contracts. Keep all written instructions given to you. Keep all test papers returned. Keep any communication to and from them in writing. Make copies and store them in a safe place. Should you decide to continue DrVry.

I went to DrVry back in the 1970's. They are still offering the same empty promises.
Bad instruction, and incomplete studies now.

To make a long long story short. After I had a lawyer and began to sue them. They forgave the debt. I began suit after they pulled a quick turnaround on some legal print contrary to written class instruction.

They also never told me of the countless other fees and charges associated with taking the classes. Which was charged to me by DrVry.

After they had gave me written instruction on one of the test I needed to take, (at an extra charge). I did so. The test could not be passed based on the instructions I received in classes. The classes did not cover in no way the theory or applications that were questioned in the test.

I challenged the test and its application to the classes. They responded that if I did not pass that test, they would not have to honor the job placement, money refund, or other promises made by them. Loop hole here. You do not pass the test, they do not honor contract. (See fine print on page two at the bottom, is what I was told).

After going over the contract with legal eyes reading it. It was discovered that the written instruction to take the test as many times as necessary to pass it was in conflict with the fine print on page two.

So I and many others were given refunds back then. In fact the Federal Government sued DrVry and offered the settlements.

I still had to go and take 4 more years of courses to get my diplomas, Federal and State licenses. At least DrVry did not get to rip me off and keep the cash over a three year period.

In conclusion. The course study materials did not cover the topics as advertised. The study was lacking in depth of theory and actual application. Many of the examples given in the books were incorrect. Much of the course study was lacking in detail.

Even if I had finished the full DrVry course of study. I would still have to go out and enroll in a course to get the full theory and applications needed by my employer.

For the charges they require for a course now. $40,000 and up. One might as well go to the local University or College and get a real diploma.

Just to let you know. Same old scam, same old DrVry. Read your contracts. Keep all written instructions given to you. Keep all test papers returned. Keep any communication to and from them in writing. Make copies and store them in a safe place. Should you decide to continue DrVry.

I know I have defended DeVry in other reports here, but now I am not so sure. I requested information from the DeVry Orlando campus. When the admissions rep, Sandy, responded, I told her that I was looking at other schools as well. She is now refusing to answer my emails. I told her I was not looking to start until January or March of 2009. I emailed her and asked her to clarify the tuition since the 2007 handbook said one thing and the website said another. No response. I think she has decided to ignore me since she may not get a commission off of me. Admissions reps do work on commission. I attended this same campus in 2002 and when I tried to change my major, my admissions rep would not let me. He said I had to stay in the CIS program and give it a try. He said I was giving up too soon. Yet, when I contacted another rep, he was very kind and said he would gladly help me.

DeVry has Regional Accreditation - that's the highest there is.
And while it is true that DeVry does not offer MBA's, they offer Bachelor and Associates degrees. Masters degrees ARE offered by the Keller Graduate School of Management of DeVry University.

I agree with you. Devry University is nothing but a diploma mill and huge student loan to repay to top it off. I went to Devry and got a degree in computer information systems. When I went for a job interview, the interviewer laughed at me when I mentioned Devry. He stated that the company doesn't recognize any degree from Devry.
My worthless degree is nothing but an embarassment in job interviews. I might as well work for McDonalds since I can't find a job anyway.

I bet most of you don't know that in North America, mostly the United States, that ANY Corporation can deem itself a college or university without any form of approval by a governing body. In Australia for example, and many other places around the world you just cant deem yourself a University or College, the govt has final say. So basically, in North America, a convenience store can buy a copy machine and have degree and diploma templates, print them up for 5 bucks and hand you a University degree without any problem.

To be honest, I don't blame employers for being so critical of these places.How are they supposed to guard themselves against some chump who got a paper from a degree-mill if they just accept any piece of paper that says "Masters", "bachelors" and whatever else on it. Pretty soon kids in high school will also be able to get "masters" degrees as these places don't even require a high school transcript. It flies in the face of common sense. I know that not everyone can go to a typical university but, really, these places are just causing problems by making a mockery of serious credentials such as PHD's, bachelors and masters. If they just kept it to certificates, low-level certificates

I might add, then it wouldn't be so complicated. because thats just what it it, a low-level certificate that basically amounts to a bad diploma from a community college.They are confusing employers and people who are looking for education,and ultimately is a losing situation for both. Basically, your masters is not really a masters and your bachelors is not really a bachelors......just fancy words on a piece of paper that looks nice but ultimately has no value!

I have worked in Online Education for the last two years. The "statements" expressed here require some revision and clarifiacation:

1. Admissions personnel are not paid on commission. No accredited university is permitted to pay such employees on a commission basis. They work for straight salary or hourly pay. Admissions personnel are indeed sales people--education is a business like anything else, but it is more regulated than any other type of free enterprise. No business in the world, from a lemonade stand to Microsoft survives without some kind of sales and/or marketing staff, especially the stiff competition that has been generated by the Online Education revolution. Private Higher Learning institutions categorically have better programs and greater student satisfaction than State colleges and Universities because they are For Profit organizations. State schools are much more like the Public schools in K-12--they operate on Socialist principles and receive direct State and Federal funding. The only funding that private institutions receive is Student Loans, which is simply the way most students pay for their education. Private schools have more freedom to create effective and up-to-date programs and specialized degrees that are relevant in today's job market (i.e. DeVry's Video Game and Simulation Design degree.) It's a lot more profitable for a school to treat its students well that to screw them over--the school makes more money if the student finishes his program, has a positive experience, and refers the people he knows to the school.

2. By taking a look at the bitter, petty, misspelled, inaccurate, and grammatically incorrect ramblings of those who either didn't put in the effort in their classes or likely were fired during the initial probationary period of employment for lack of performance, one can determine that they would be better suited digging ditches or cleaning bathrooms in one of the community colleges they believe are so vastly superior. The other possibility is that they feel a misguided sense of entitlement to success that they have not earned--no matter how smart you are, you cannot realistically expect to start anywhere but the bottom unless your father owns the company you work for. Suck it up and put in your time like everyone else. Do more than work just barely hard enough not to get fired.

3. The overwhelming majority of people who have a Bachelor's Degree in any field have found gainful employment--those who want it, anyway. It seems apparent that those who have posted here went to college because it was 13th grade and they weren't mature enough to put in the effort to acutally earn a degree, and consequently they are blaming the institution because they don't want to admit they don't have the intelligence or the discipline to finish what they start. Many of the students I have enrolled are single mothers working at least one and sometimes as many as three jobs and somewhow balancing a life around it. These people are grateful to the core for the opportunity to build a better life for themselves and their families. The average difference in aggregate lifetime earnings potential between someone who has a HS Diploma ans someone who has a BS or BA is about $4.3 Million. With the average cost of said degree being between $40K and $60K, that's in the range of a 1,000 to 1 return on investment. Even if you end up in a completely different field from your degree (like I did) most employers just want to know that you have a degree in something. Of course, not every geographical area has the greatest job market. The up side is that plenty of them do--and it's even legal to move to another city to find a better job.

4. If you drown, it's not the water's fault that you didn't pay attention during your swimming lessons. Have some personal accountability. That attitude is the same asinine BS as the people who sue McDonald's for making them fat. Put down the bong and the Jagermeister, pick up a book, and go to class once in a while.

To Frank of Loganville, Georgia I don't believe you. IT IS A FACT THAT DEVRY UNIVERSITY DOES NOT OFFER MBAS!!! It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to attend devry and attain an MBA. Check the website. You write that being in debt is worth it, but won't attend a state university which is a much better purchase for the money.

Students who attend devry find out that the technology is inferior, the teachers without relevant 'real-world' experience, and 'hands-on' is hands on the book. The commericials are ALL HYPE. I have watched for years as the most competent of teaching staff are dismissed only to be replaced with inferior quality. Meanwhile the cost of tutition has risen to outrageous sums! You give very bad advice to someone considering time, money and a good education. Devry is a POOR school and A POOR CHOICE. IF YOU HAD GONE OR ARE GOING YOU WOULD KNOW THIS. I have watched as many students were dissatisfied with the poor and inferior technology, staff (who do NOT have reall world skills as advertised!), and education.

I have heard students being lied to on a regular basis. Why not? The staff need to insure that paycheck. The admissions reps are equal to USED CAR SALESMAN and don't care about anything but the commission they are earning. THEY WILL SAY ANYTHING TO PRESSURE YOU INTO ENROLLING INTO DEVRY!!!

I watched as students found out all that is advertised is merely hype. Competent staff was 'terminated' in order to hire incompetent replacements! I witnessed many things and if there is ever a class action suit I will TELL THE TRUTH!!! The people on this site have been SCAMMED and are NOT HATERS. They have been wronged. Career services is a joke. They have NO INDUSTRY CONTACTS and merely point out jobs you can find during any job search such as THOSE FOUND ON craiglist, monster, careerbuilder, etc,... What is so special about that? I know employees who were threatened to be terminated if they answered students questions
and told the truth.

This became a 'problem' during my employment and everyone was threatened with termination if they told the truth! Devry is NOT a school it IS a business. Devry ONLY wants money, but offer a VERY INFERIOR education for a high price. You may want to candy coat everything but you are not attending devry for an MBA that is a fact. Anyone who questions this can look it up on the devry website. THEY DO NOT OFFER MBAs!!! That is FACT. So I cannot believe your story. For you to criticize those who have 'actually' attended Devry is 'suspicious.' SCHOOLS LIKE THIS NEED TO BE CLOSED DOWN! NOTE: devry now pushes the 90/40 rule. 90% of graduates are employed within 6 months of graduation and earn $40,000 a year. They don't mention how many stay at the same job they had before they earned a degree. DevrySorryVill, California is 100% right in everything he has written. It is a comon story. I completely agree with everything he has written! The staff at State and Community Colleges teach at a much higher level, they also have up to date skills, and better technology than devry. If one was to simply look at the catalog of any school and compare it to the tiny little piece of paper devry calls a catalog they would see devry offers very few classes. Enrollment has been dropping for years due to their bad decisions. I will not be surprised if a class action suit is filed.

I know someone that went to Devry in North Jersey and dropped out a month before graduation. Its all hype and them selling the commercials. You are correct a lot of these schools are corrupt.

I am a business entrepenuer in vending. Sorry to hear your losses but you never know. Apparently people are falling for the trap.

6 years ago, I applied and attended Full Time For my Bachelor's Degree Program at University of Phoenix. (I will tie this to Devry in a minute)

It was the ONLY option for a full time working, single bread winning, 3 child feeding adult who knew the best way to move up the corporate ladder was to educate. Need I say more.

When I said "ONLY" option, defined is today we have many many private learning institutions begging for students - some are accredited but most are not. 6 years ago for me it was drop my job and paycheck to attend Public University, or keep my life the way it was and attend school at UOP week nights.

What I came to dislike immensely was the the Study Group Formula required by the school. For the most part (90% +), Study Groups did not make me a better person. And it only taught me to study harder to learn the material. Fine if your major is Marketing or HR. But for me, it was terrible.

Did I blame the school?? No. By the time I made my decision that the study group was not my fortay, I half way though the 2 year program. So the best thing was continue and finish what I started.

Though I did not always live up to the best grades, I'm grateful I completed the program and today it has opened a lot of doors for me. My salary is doubled from 1999.

Nevertheless, UOP is a high-priced profit seeking organization, and last year when I chose to Register for MBA, I decided to attend Devry.

I stayed up many nights comparing costs and so forth of attending Devy and its competitors including state universities. Most of them required too many useless courses and believe it or not, I spent and wasted more money.

I am on financial aid and I accept the fact that being in debt to education is worth it. Of course, I don't agree with everything but all things are not for all people.

"mob milking for government money" has prompted me to state my side with a positive spin.

But if all of you who feel lost after earning a degree or maybe kicked out or perhaps you left on your own accord, please think of this -

Life is what you make of it.

I'm going to make it a good one. Its my best option as I self-invest in an MBA program at DEVRY in which I know I will be in debt to for years to come. I will only blame myself if I come up short on anything. I will file official complaints with the right departments at DEVRY if I ever feel like something was grossly unfair.

I don't know much about what the haters here are describing other than what you have left posted. But when I show love and respect to Devry - believe me - it's reciprocated in kind.

Grateful to continue learning.

I AGREE! DEVRY,INC. AKA DEVRY UNVERSITY AND/OR DEVRY INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY??? IS A SCAM!!!!

THEY ENROLLED ME IN THEIR BACHELOR'S DEGREE PROGRAM IN BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION AND WHAT SEEMED ODD IS TWO ADMISSION (SALES) REPRESENTATIVES CALLED ME AND ASKED ME QUESTIONS ABOUT MY FUTURE GOALS AND AMBITIONS IN LIFE. I AGREED ASSUMING IT WAS A GOOD DEAL BUT WHEN I TALKED TO A FINANCIAL AID REPRESENTATIVE THEY TOLD ME MY TOTAL PROGRAM COST WOULD BE $58,000, I BACKED OUT. THEY TOLD ME THE GOVERNMENT WOULD ONLY OFFER $12,000 (4 YEARS) OF GRANT MONEY. THEY REST WOULD BE PAID THROUGH STAFFORD LOANS AND/OR
OTHER LENDING COMPANIES. THE REPRESENTATIVE I TALKED TO WAS "INDIAN" AND HAD BROKEN ENGLISH AND DID NOT EVEN OFFER TO AID ME FINANCIAL AND SAID MY MINIMUM PAYMENT PER MONTH WOULD BE IN EXCESS OF $500. WHO HAS THAT TYPE OF MONEY WHEN THEIR POOR AND PAYING RENT, UTILITIES, CABLE...ETC.
THIS SEEMS STRANGE? I FOUND THIS WEBSITE AND I AM GLAD I DID. THEY ALMOST GOT ME BUT I UN-ENROLLED NEVER TO RETURN.

JOHNATHAN CROWELL