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Complaint Review: DeVry University - Westminster Colorado

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  • DeVry University 1870 West 122nd Avenue Westminster, Colorado U.S.A.

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I was coxed into going to DeVry University by an enrollment representative because of the things they promised. When I first started they claimed to be a school that was of convenience to the working adult. Not only did they say they offered online classed but they said they offered night classes as well for those that worked during the day. What they didn't say is that they didn't offer night classes for ALL the courses required to graduate. Then as you got further into your major those on campus classes turned into nothing but online classes. Even MATH classes were turned into online classes where you had to learn from a computer program! Needless to say I had to re-take that class 3 times because I really had minimal help.

Another gripe being that it's not bad enough that these are tri-mester but that they then divide each tri-mester into sessions so for every semester, you then split that into two "sessions" A & B, so you're now taking a full load on an 8 week course reading 4 chapters in a WEEK on top of posting online and doing homework making it virtually impossible to stay on top of things.

Well needless to say now that I am a junior I realized that I couldn't afford to keep going to this school at $6-7,000/per semester (mind you there are 3 in this full-year round college). As well as going through the stress (and trust me there was ALOT) of trying to stay on top of things. Oh and did I mention the ever changing graduation requirements as well as over-priced credit hours that never stop rising!

So I go to an in-state college today to transfer my credit hours and guess what NOT ONE OF THEM will transfer over. Reason being that they are not an accredited college. When I said that they had TOLD me that they were in an accredited college I was told that they were not accredited with the major accreditated institutes that almost everyone else! I was FURIOUS! Especially since DeVry had led me to believe that I could always transfer somewhere else and that I could transfer to other universities and state colleges.
And for anyone to try to tell me that "I just need to put the work in.." well guess what. I put in 4 years of my life (I went part-time up until last year), $46,000 later had a decent GPA and TRUST ME I put the work in! I get NOTHING. Not even my basic gen ed credits will transfer. I REFUSE to go back and put the in the remaining year that I have in so I can pay another $18,000.

Furious student
Thornton, Colorado
U.S.A.

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#9 Consumer Suggestion

Who is really to Blame?

AUTHOR: CosSpgsGuy - (USA)

POSTED: Sunday, January 10, 2016

I read your entire posting and understand your complaint, however as a student who has taken over 100 credit hours at the college I can attest that almost every single claim you make is false except the online class situation. Maybe that is accurate but I doubt you were led to believe that all courses were on campus. The interview they perform is standard and is web based and they do not control that information. Even I was told that ALL my courses had an online component even if they were on campus. I know exactly how much work is involved in the courses and it is no more in a week than any other college. They also have the EXACT SAME accreditation as University of Michigan, Ohio State and even CU Boulder. (.colorado.edu/accreditation/) (devry.edu/academics/accreditation.html) You can look that up online and it is a true statement. I have looked into transferring to UC in Colorado and know that they accept the credits. They didn't offer to take them, I had to request they take them and provide transcripts. If you have a balance you would not be able to get your transcripts and that is probably the issue. They are just a pricey as other top colleges but they have scholarships and grants to help. Where else can you get a Bachelors in 3 years by only taking 2 classes at a time and pay even a little less?

 

I would suggest instead of falsifying a complaint that you take personal responsibility and make a plan to correct the situation. First you can pay any balance by contacting their financial aid office so you can get transcripts and actually provide the documentation needed for another college to consider credits for your past education. Second you can also complete your education using ALL of your credits if you re-enroll at DeVry and just work hard to keep yourself honest with your schedule and dealines for assignments. Third USE THE TUTORING if you need it.

 

I really hope you find the tools you need to finish your education. It will help alot with your professional opportunities and the way you view challenges in life in a more positive way.

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#8 Consumer Suggestion

Is going to DeVry really worth the expence????

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

POSTED: Monday, May 24, 2010

DOES GOING TO DEVRY really pay? Is it worth it? Read the following article about the probalility of financial success with traditional colleges. If anything, the problems are compounded with the "fast food" degrees offered by so called "universities" like DeVry.

 

Food for thought.....

 

 

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003930609_burns07.html

 

Does going to college pay? Answer isn't simple

Does it pay to go to college? If you check www.collegeboard.com, you'll find a reassuring study showing that education really does pay.

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Does it pay to go to college?

If you check www.collegeboard.com, you'll find a reassuring study showing that education really does pay.

Without considering the intangibles, the study shows that each additional level of education draws a higher lifetime income.

While the median high-school graduate age 25 and older earns about $26,000, the median college graduate age 25 and older earns about $42,000. That's an annual income premium of about $16,000, or around 60 percent.

Not bad, particularly when you consider that the difference also allows you to escape doing heavy lifting.

Yes, the college grad will spend years paying off loans. But eventually the earnings net of loan payments will pull ahead of the high-school graduate's. So, case closed. It may hurt to write the checks, or borrow, but college pays.

Well, maybe not.

According to the College Board, it takes 14 long years before the college grad's income, net of loan payments, starts to beat what the high-school grad earns. During all those 14 years, college doesn't pay. High school pays.

The real question is not which choice pays on an annual basis, but which choice pays on a lifetime basis? Which choice permits a higher lifetime living standard a question the board conveniently doesn't ask or answer.

The answer depends on the costs of borrowing and the amount you need to cover. Today's student-loan rates are really high if you need to cover the full ride.

And the price tag for attending college is astronomical. The College Board approach to evaluating the economic value of a college education may overstate the benefits. If you take a consumption-smoothing approach, which you can do with financial-planning software such as ESPlanner, you can see how the cost of higher education interacts with factors such as your lifetime taxes, Social Security benefits at retirement, loan repayments, etc. And you can do it all in dollars of constant purchasing power.

Economist Laurence Kotlikoff at Boston University, the prime mover behind the consumption-smoothing software, examined the cost of borrowing to attend a private college. He found a number of factors reduce the actual economic benefit:

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When you earn more money, you pay more taxes and you pay at higher rates.

When you earn more money, you'll also get less bang for your buck from Social Security. Lower-income workers receive a much higher benefit as a percentage of their earnings than higher-income workers because Social Security benefits are more progressive than the income tax.

When you are eligible for Medicare, you'll be hit with the same progressivity. Starting this year, Medicare premiums are keyed to household income. So you'll pay more for the same benefits if you earn more by getting a college education.

Forgoing four years of earning power while in college on borrowed money nearly evens the playing field.

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#7 Consumer Suggestion

Charles Hill again, aka CHILL???

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

POSTED: Sunday, May 23, 2010

How do I get that the majority of these rebuttals to consumer complaints are DeVry employees? For one, only a DeVry employee would keep coming back here so adamantly and blindly trying to cover up for DeVry. No real student is that emotionally involved with DeVry to defend them to that level.

And the content is always the same. Same points. Looks like they were taken off of a DeVry template. Not to mention that there really are not that many happy DeVry grads.

And finally there is a DeVry employee named Charles Hill who uses the handle CHILL both here and in correspondence from DeVry, claims to be a happy DeVry grad and posts constantly here rebutting everyone who tells their story on this board. He is a DeVry employee, an admissions advisor but wants people to think that he is a "Happy DeVry Grad" with no connections to DeVry. Shall we call him Charlie, Charlies, Chuckie, Chuck or just BUSTED???

I am sure that no one on this board would object to a DeVry employee coming on here and discussing their feelings about DeVry and any positive experiences, if any. And I am sure that everyone knows by now that DeVry employees attend school at DeVry to take advantage of the FREE education benefit. Nothing wrong with that. But why the facade? Why pretend to be a "Happy DeVry Grad" and never mention that you are a DeVry employee??? Perhaps you feel that the credibility won't be there or that people will read through the b.s.?? Hey guess what? We already have.

There have been a lot of complaints here by myself and many others against DeVry. Only someone with a strong emotional tie with DeVry i.e. an employee would take such a strong stance in defense of a school that has so many unhappy students. Even most of the dissatisfied DeVry students post infrequently and move on. Of course you already know this and that is why you always follow their posts with a rebuttal that says something like this:

"LIES", LIAR" FRAUD"  WOW! Heavy duty language there. Do you really think that that scares or fools anybody? Hardly. But you do know that these students rarely if ever come back. It make sit look like you scared them off or have exposed them. Hardly!

Another good one is, "Other schools have more complaints than DeVry." WOW - So that means that DeVry is okay, just because other schools  have more complaints?  Those other schools have a lot more enrollemnts too. You guys need to stop paradying company management and think for yourself. Let me guess, the DeVry mascot is a parot right??

Anyway, nice try but it won't fly.

How is the current session going for you? Do you have a lot of starts??

 

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#6 Consumer Comment

Wow, I'm an employee apparently. Where did you get that info?

AUTHOR: Mkdenver1 - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, May 21, 2010

Nice try, Danny, but I am a legit student finally done with classes and NOT an employee.  I was a student at Westwood prior to coming to DeVry and these two schools, albeit for profit, are exact opposites.  Westwood was hell, DeVry was much better.  Their accreditation shows!  One may as well not be accredited at all and the other is regionally accredited.

You are the one who is obsessed here and posting a majority of rebuttals against DeVry.  Maybe you should be the one checking yourself for the "bad DeVry experience".

So, Danny, where do YOU suggest everyone go to school who feels they are too old to be spending time at the 4-year universities with nothing but 18 - 22 year olds and trying to get around the dorm-room keg parties?

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#5 Consumer Suggestion

It's not the student, it's the college!

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

POSTED: Thursday, May 20, 2010

You have to love these DeVry employees. They always come on this board claiming to be a "Happy DeVry Grad" OR "Soon to be grad", claiming that everything is just wonderful and that anyone who complains is in the miniority.


BASED on the number of complainst that I have seen here, I believe that "Happy DeVry Grads" are in the miniority especially when you factor in that it really is one person using multiple identities.


I also find is fascinating that somehow this "soon to be Happy DeVry Grad" thinks that because perhaps there are more complaints about other for profit schools like UOP, KAPLAN, ITT etc. that makes DeVry clean.


Maybe those other schools have enrolled more students than DeVry so it's really the law of averages - more numbers more unhappy students. However, one only needs to take a quick look over this board not to mention others to note that there are a lot of complaints about DeVry. And that is only those who have taken the time to complain.


Some complain once. A few like myself some back to set the record straight and hopefully encourage others who have been scammed by DeVry to speak up and come back. Not to be scared of by the DeVry storm troopers who blast any and all negative but accurate complaints against DeVry.


Don't be scared when they call you a "liar" just because you are telling the truth. And be scared off by heavy duty words like "FRAUD" If you are telling the truth, where is the FRAUD?? It is DeVry and their croonies who can only parady what management says and write comments on this and other boards that look like they came off of DeVry's templates that are really guilty of FRAUD!


To the person who claims to be happy with DeVry and soon a graduate (June 8th) I say congratulations. If true (which I seriously doubt) you are one of the very few. And if ture I look forward to reading your future success story. But I won't hold my breath!


Considering DeVry???


CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!


 

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#4 Consumer Comment

It's not the college; it's the student!

AUTHOR: Mkdenver1 - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, May 20, 2010

I am soon-to-be a DeVry graduate (June 18) and I am very happy with the education I received there.

They were convenient as I am working full time, 40 hours a week, and was still able to take courses in addition to other committments and having a baby at home.  I did have to take two courses at my local campus because I did not feel comfortable taking them online.  One of the courses was a Stats course that I did not pass after an attempt online and I did pass it when I took it at the campus. 

They were called hybrid courses because they were done in classroom as well as online.  You met 1-2 times per week with your class to do the assignments, lecture, other activities etc and continued meeting in the online platform as well.  I got so much more out of it and even made new friends as well.

DeVry will NEVER promise you anything.  In fact, I attended the graduation fair last night and sat in on a Career Services presentation and their first disclaimer is "we cannot guarantee employment and will never promise employment."  It is all up to the student to actually put in the effort to WORK WITH the college in finding employment!  This is exactly what I expect from the college and what they expect of me.

I knew about how the semesters were set up at the time of my admissions interview.  You should have been told the same as well as all the costs involved.  If you didn't like it, you shouldn't have enrolled!

It is amazing to also note that DeVry has among the FEWEST complaints on this board as compared to other career colleges like University of Phoenix and Westwood.

Each and every college out there has complaints on this site.  So according to some people, no one should attend any college at all.

DeVry is for-profit, but their "for-profitness" never did come out at anytime when I was attending courses.  I was challenged in the classes, treated with professionalism and respect whenever I interacted with anyone at the campus and my instructors as well.

Oh and I'm not going to complain about the student loans that I racked up while in school.  I knew I wasn't going to get a free education so I need to pay for all the services that I received!

So basically you are in the minority when it comes to students who have had bad experiences.  Odds are the bad experiences reflect on the responsiblities the student takes to successfully attend and pay for college.

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#3 Consumer Comment

Thorton is NOT an isolated case - FRONTLINE EXPOSE

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

POSTED: Wednesday, May 19, 2010

I fin dit quite fascinating that everytime someone like Thorton lodges a complaint about DeVry, it is always followed by a melle of rebuutals (same person, many aliases) charging fraud and calling people like Thorton "LIARS" or a lame rebuttal will say, "Isolated case."

The fact is that the government right up to and including the Obama Administration is looking into the corruption within these schools. School regulators are also looking into it and in fact a big meeting is scheduled for June. Look for the hammer to come down. Frontline also did a great feature on all of these schools, DeVry was mentioned several times.

Please understand that the people who rebut people like Thorton are actually DeVry employees. They claim to be DeVry grads or students which is true because DeVry employees are virtually required to attend school at DeVry to keep their jobs. And for them, school is FREE!

When they come on these boards like drill sargeants, their goal is to scare away people like Thorton and mislead others who may read their complains. To them, their is no such thing as freedom of speech and if you got screwed by DeVry, too bad.  They want to hold on to their J-O-B's

Thorton you are not alone. If you were, school regulators, the Obama Adminsitration and Frontline would not be all over DeVry, University Of Phoenix, ITT, Keiser etc.

Thank you Thorton for your honesty and sharing your accurate although negative experiences with DeVry.

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#2 Consumer Suggestion

This report is a verifiable fraud

AUTHOR: Sfbmod - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, March 03, 2009

DeVry is accredited through the North Central Association of Colleges & Schools - Higher Learning Commission. For individual state certifications and education department contact information: http://www.devry.edu/whydevry/approvals.jsp

Several "in-state" universities accept the NCA regionally accredited degrees at DeVry, for example: http://www.utexas.edu/world/univ/

You can find other information and schools that share DeVry's transferability status at places such as: http://www.ncahlc.org/

DeVry was also recently awarded the accreditation from the Project Management Institute (PMI) Global Accreditation Center for Project Management (GAC): http://www.pmi.org/AboutUs/Pages/2009-01-30-PMI-Accredits-DeVry-University-and-Keller-School-of-Management.aspx

It's one of only about a dozen schools in the nation that have that internationally recognized accreditation.

This reporter was not "coxed" into anything. They simply either failed to do their own research into this and other schools, or they are a verifiable fraud.

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#1 UPDATE Employee

not an employee but a happy student

AUTHOR: Mkdenver1 - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 10, 2008

Dude, thankfully you're an isolated incident. I am currently attending both online and classroom courses at DeVry in Westminster and I haven't been happier. I have been treated with nothing but respect and professionalism and everyone I have come in contact with has been very helpful and concerned about my education.

Your claim that they are not accredited is a lie. They are REGIONALLY accredited which is one of the top accreditations to receive.

It's not as expensive of a school as many others focused on adult learning are. They even accepted all of my credits from Westwood! If you currently owe too much money to the school then there's a good reason for that. You either didn't pay your bills to them or the government felt you didn't qualify for much.

Don't let this report deter you from attending DeVry. They are actually student focused and not focused on their for-profit ways like many other colleges are.

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