Quixtar ripoff brainwashes Nationwide

One of the many many problems that I see with people claiming "scam" is they don't look completely into what they're getting into. Sure, there are some scams out there where they only want you money but those are quite few and far between but

Amway/Quixtar isn't one of them. I'd say the blame is on 2 parties here. 1 - your fiance because he/she didn't fully investigate what type of effort it requires to build a home business. Contrary to popular belief, you do NOT get rich quick in ANY legitimate MLM company. It requires hard work and lots of personal development. Yes, the cd's and functions are another way the upline/leaders make money but they pay for those services out of their own pockets and those are for the ultimate benefit of YOU to take advantage of the advice given. They're not provided for by Amway/Quixtar. 2 - your upline sponsor/leaders. They have the ultimate responsibility in teaching you what it takes to run the business. They do not however have the responsibility of building it for you.

In the future I'd suggest you look around on the web for information pertaining to MLM and how to successfully run one from your home. Nothing worthwhile is going to be easy nor will it happen overnight. Here are a couple of suggestions for sites to gain some invaluable information. www.passionfire.com www.mlm-training-manuals.com/articles.htm

These companies usually contact you through CareerBuilder, Monster, or some other job search site.

There should be a way to block them...guess we have to keep reporting them on the said sites.

You might as well report these guys too, since they all offer similar "job opportunities:

New York Business Solutions (NYBS)
Prestige Solutions
Ample Opportunity
American Events
Shining Tree International
Innovage
Quantum,
FW1 Wax
Sapphire Skies Promotions,
Olympus Marketing

Those "companies" offered a new job selleing windsheild replacements, usually in dealing with a company called "C2C autoglass" or Coast 2 Coast Autoglass.

Don't be a sucker...New dog, old tricks.

I had posted a reply to a Pryme Time post as well as looked up other scams and found that it's all the same, regardless of the task. Apparently they're coming from all over the US and Canada.

And if you see a rebuttal from an "ex-employee", they typically give the same "copy-paste" response of how someone never made it past the 1st or 2nd interview or that the person wasn't a good salesperson.

All those who have been ripped off by quixtar, you need to contact the FBI office and file a complaint. Check this website " http://www.fbi.gov/majcases/fraud/fraudschemes.htm#nigerian " and make sure to scroll down to pyramid scheme. Also please take the names of the individuals who came to you and give it to the FBI. This company needs to be stopped immediately.

The founder of Amway has close ties to such scum as James Dobson, D. James Kennedy, Ralph Reed and many other christo fascists. It's a scam preying on the gullible. Run away as fast as you can. You can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep and DeVos does not have a good track record.

Shame on you for not doing your research either you moron. Anyone with a rat-sized brain knows better than to give money to a bunch of comatose pricks in suits promising luxuries of homes in the Bahamas and unlimited income, all from ordering and storing useless crap that ends up in your garage or for sale on ebay. And they know to look up the reputation of such a supposed "company" FIRST before even THINKING about giving some "distributor" money up front for a bunch of smoke (up your a*s) and mirrors. You actually thought you were going to get your money back?!?!?!?!? Are you on something? The books, tapes, cd's and seminars, which you have to fly yourself to at your own expense, are all lies and just a cover so they can get more of you to fall into their trance. The 4 guys at the top and the ones making all the money. They could care less about you. And if something so stupid like a pitch from quixtar is going to threaten to break up you and your fiancee, then maybe your problems run deeper than that. Go get some counseling honey. First for falling into that bullsh*t networking marketing downline garbage, and second to agree once and for all that you two do NOT EVER do anything solo. WE work together on OUR money for OUR future, not I, me and my. Got it? Ever listen to Dave Ramsey? Go to daveramsey.com and see how to REALLY avoid ripoff assholes like quixtar and amway. In NO way do I promote him, but I have heard his radio show about getting out of debt, and anyone, I mean ANYONE who even breathes the names of these mentally deficient buttholes gets beat to hell up one side and down the other by him, all with a touch of grandmas love of course, being pulled by the ear while being kissed on the forehead so to speak. Tough love I think they call it.

And if you are someone who is permanently drugged by this bird doo doo and you have been or still are unfortunately connected to quixtar, then I DARE you to say otherwise. Your life is screwed from here on out, so leave the rest of us alone because at least there is still the hope that most of us will see through your lying sh*t. Good riddance to all of you quixtar losers!!!!

Ashley,

It's sad when so many people blame Quixtar for having a bad experience with starting their business. You wouldn't blame the NFL if one player or team did drugs would you? If you would, you have other issues. My point is, I've rarely if ever heard anyone have an honest complaint about Quixtar or their products. Every starts out blaming Quixtar for their bad experience, but after reading their story, it always comes back to their sponsors / upline / team they join up under. There are alot of bad teams out there giving "Quixtar" a bad rep, and it's not fair to the rest of us. I signed up under LTD as well a while back, I listened to everything, and did everything, and got into alot of debt too. Instead of quitting and calling Quixtar a bad company I just decided that I've spent enough, and I wasn't going to waste more money if I'm not getting results. I stopped going to all the meetings, ect. But I still loved the products, so I bought what I needed every month, 100 points or not.. I just bought what I needed. My upline stopped calling, I didn't care and I didn't feel bad about it. But I can understand if it was someone you knew from your past. And I've heard so many stories about sponsors helping you in the beginning, but if you didn't do everything right they just shun you. Last time I checked IBO stood for "INDEPENDANT BUSINESS OWNER". Now granted not everyone can know how to run a business on their own right from the start. I spent 5 years reading leadership / self help books. (on my own, not because of my upline). And now I work from home full time, and am having much more success with my Quixtar based business. I'm not wasting money with meetings, CD's ect. And when I get people started and work with them, I've learned from the mistakes of all these other 'bad teams' out there, and I help out my people without expecting them to buy into all of that stuff. People are out there by the thousands looking for ways to make money without having to go into debt, and I'd love to help them, without causing them to buy into all the "extras" that are "needed" to build a business. Well I'm about done for now, I hope you read this and I don't know if I can leave my personal info on here but feel free to call or write me, I'd more than willing to talk and answer any questions. I'm not here to convince you to get signed up with me either. Just hope this helps or at least helps anyone else out there that's looking to get started with any business. Not only should you do research into the company you're looking at getting involved in, but look into the team (upline) as well. Even if it's your best friend from grade school. I just hate to see all these people get a bad taste in their mouth about making money with a business opportunity just because of a bad sponsor / team. There are so many great / legit companies out there to get involved with, but at the same time there are alot of bad teams promoting those companies too.

Thanks for listening,
Jason

i once had a conversation with a guy who worked for quixtar and he got me interested in it.....until i looked them up and saw the NBC report. when i brought it up he got defensive and made excuses. the one thing he never told me, despite how many times i asked or how i asked it, was how much he made at this, just an average figure.

i know thats no business of mine but if its so great you could at least tell people SOMETHING. of course at the meetings i heard a lot about how much the guest speakers made. they really stressed that over and over while staying vague about the actual company and business model (which btw is to buy grocery items online instead of at places like wal mart for example, too bad people usually like to touch items and compare them up close when they shop).

after hearing about the $200 or so sign up/application fee, needless to say, i dropped the quixtar idea pretty quickly and decided to major in medicine. sad thing is, the guy i was talking to seemed like a really nice guy but by his own admission he still worked another job to pay the bills after doing quixtar for 7 years AND he gave up a lot of time with his kids. i felt bad for him.

i still see him out talking to people about this stuff at various places, usually in bookstores and other high traffic places people tend to aimlessly stroll around. if he put his selling ability and outgoing self-motivated attitude towards a real company or a business degree he could actually make some real good money i think. BTW, a while back, 6 months or so, i saw quixtar is going back to the AMWAY name. ought to bring up some "great" memories for the older generations.

Company officials confirmed in June of 2007 that, over the subsequent 18 to 24 months, the Quixtar name would be dissolved and the Amway name would be revived in North America, reuniting it with its sister Amway organizations around the globe. - wikipedia

original source: http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6652689

Everybody see things acordingly at the glass they looking thru, that's a fact since history mankind remembers and always will be, what is paradise for some can be hell for others, where some make fortunes other encounter the most relentless poverty and so on, nobody is in posesion of the most absolute true but here you got some facts to help making your mind:
Amway/Quixtar origin date of 1959, being the first marketing multilevel in the history and the biggest so far.

Amway/Quixtar currently are doing business in more than 80 countries and territories around the globe, and never had leave a market after being established.

Alticor, the mother company of Quixtar/Amway is the number 27 of the 500 biggest private companies in the USA according to Forbes, ( and with 0 dollars in debt ).

Alticor and the Access Group, both part of the Holding who represent Quixtar/Amway employ directly and indirectly more than 30,000 people in the USA alone and all the products distributed in the Americas are manufactured in the USA and distributed thru 6 distribution centers in the United States, (not China stuff).
Quixtar/Amway has paid to Independent distributors 2.4 billions of dollars since 2000 from the more than 9 billions dollars in revenues.

Quixtar/Amway got a parnertship with more than 500 associated companies like Visa, Circuit City, Office Depot, Bass Pro Shop, phone, travel, insurance companies etc, just one of them Shop.com represents more than 500 companies making Quixtar the biggest virtual mall in the world.

Nutrilite and Artistry are the number one selling brands online in Health and Beauty according to the Internet Retailer for the past Four Years, both are Quixtar/Amway property.
Quixtar/Amway have more than six millions independent distributors around the globe, from wich almost a million are from Northamerica.
From the more than 100 suits against Quixtar/Amway so far in the USA in almost 50 years no one has been lost or Quixtar/Amway indicted.

Quixtar/Amway is utilized by the FTC and the BBB like example and definition of multilevel marketing and well done business.
I can give many more examples of what Quixtar/Amway is of have done in the last 48 years, true is than not everybody qualify for a multilevel marketing bussines, true is also that only 2% of the population in America is rich, not everybody is willing to work hard or sacrify well earned free time in making a bussines than not everybody understand, from the Northeamerica population only 5.7% is involved in a mlm bussines (Quixtar/Amway isn't the only mlm in USA).

I got involved in Quixtar seven months ago, nobody told me about getting rich in two months, nobody told me about leaving family o friends for the business, on the contrary, everybody i know in the business count God, family, business in this order, and i haven't renounced to my family, friends o hobbies and i'm making money with this business, i'm be the only one doing the right thing?, i doubt it, not business doing wrong things maintain 48 years of history and grow to almost 90 countries with six million people.

The history of entreperneurs has been always the same and goes alongside with the history of success people, hard work, being honest and being drived by his dreams is what had make more millionaires in the world than any other empress o business, citing a few, Edison, Ford, Bell, Gates have being visionaires being ridiculized and laughed by newspapers and public in general and the history had proved they were right.

My first check was only $147, still today seven months later i am under $1000, but don't forget it's an extra, no rent, no fees, no employment, no permits, no bills and no pression, i work when i feel like but like almost all successful people in this bussiness i dedicated a couple hours almost everyday afterwork to grow my business and more in the weekends, my wife is involved too and as a team our business is growing faster than being alone, we are happy and we got a lot of happy people working with us expecting like we do to get retired before 67 and with a lot more money than they where suposed to because the other side of the coin is working for somebody till you get 67 years old to be retired with 75% of a 100% that today isn't enough.

You can be looking for the bad side of the business, i'm getting a check every month and got a expectancy that only to think of it make me happy, i wish you anyway very good luck and Gods help you in your ordinary business till your 65 birthday.

First, I am a brother of an Emerald in Quixtar, and a former IBO.

My Sister and Brother-in-Law make approx 2/3 of their income off the "tools". I see nothing wrong with that, but it is not something that WWDB wants to admit to.

Most diamonds (and yes it includes WWDB) and above have to replace about 50% of their IBO's per year, so an actual "retirement" is not in the picture. Just like any business, you need to work at it and keep the pace up or your income will suffer. Gee you have to work for the money, not a hard concept, but I think it would be nice if the facts were laid out, and realistic goals and work were told up front. Perhaps if everything was laid out people would not quit so often, just my idea.

The reason I left was because I disagree with the "passing negative" downline rule. When one of the head honcho's (Britt) cheat on their wife, and have an affair, and the story is that he "retired" (All info is on the net if your care to look,). Another diamond is messing around on his wife, with a DD under him, and his upline Double Diamond has her business "pulled" due to the rule of messing with someone's spouse, and his Diamond doesn't have to answer because she was not married.

And a Diamond in SLC gets arrested for kicking his wife's mother in the stomach... AND WWDB hushed all this up, I just can't get behind people like this. I was told to tell downline that my upline was good Christians, men and women of integrity, and "edify" my upline, I just could not do it. (All of the above are in court documents, and available on the web if you care to look it up) (oops thats negitive isn't it? not supposed to look at that.. Bad IBO!!)

All in all, it is a business. Did anyone tell you that technically, according to the rules ,if you don't have 10 customers, you are not supposed to get a bonus check? It is in the rules that comes with the kit, check it out. Also, you are told that you are a business owner, and it is your business, but oh yeah, there are some rules, I.E. you can't advertise, you can't put an ad in the phone book, you can't have a storefront.... Geez is it my business or what?

The best use of this business I seen, was one of my crossline sold to industry, and lived off the commissions, quite comfortably. It can be done, but look at the real picture. I sure don't see anything wrong with selling soap. I sure can't see anything wrong with Amway or Quixtar. You can make a lot of money there if it's done right. The problem I have always seen was the people in the business not telling the whole truth.

While Quixtar is really not a cult, they do use a lot of cult tricks. Isolating you from anyone not in the business,. Sleep deprivation, tapes and books over and over. Yes you can benefit from it, but just be aware of the tactics used.

NightHawk

First, I am a brother of an Emerald in Quixtar, and a former IBO.

My Sister and Brother-in-Law make approx 2/3 of their income off the "tools". I see nothing wrong with that, but it is not something that WWDB wants to admit to.

Most diamonds (and yes it includes WWDB) and above have to replace about 50% of their IBO's per year, so an actual "retirement" is not in the picture. Just like any business, you need to work at it and keep the pace up or your income will suffer. Gee you have to work for the money, not a hard concept, but I think it would be nice if the facts were laid out, and realistic goals and work were told up front. Perhaps if everything was laid out people would not quit so often, just my idea.

The reason I left was because I disagree with the "passing negative" downline rule. When one of the head honcho's (Britt) cheat on their wife, and have an affair, and the story is that he "retired" (All info is on the net if your care to look,). Another diamond is messing around on his wife, with a DD under him, and his upline Double Diamond has her business "pulled" due to the rule of messing with someone's spouse, and his Diamond doesn't have to answer because she was not married.

And a Diamond in SLC gets arrested for kicking his wife's mother in the stomach... AND WWDB hushed all this up, I just can't get behind people like this. I was told to tell downline that my upline was good Christians, men and women of integrity, and "edify" my upline, I just could not do it. (All of the above are in court documents, and available on the web if you care to look it up) (oops thats negitive isn't it? not supposed to look at that.. Bad IBO!!)

All in all, it is a business. Did anyone tell you that technically, according to the rules ,if you don't have 10 customers, you are not supposed to get a bonus check? It is in the rules that comes with the kit, check it out. Also, you are told that you are a business owner, and it is your business, but oh yeah, there are some rules, I.E. you can't advertise, you can't put an ad in the phone book, you can't have a storefront.... Geez is it my business or what?

The best use of this business I seen, was one of my crossline sold to industry, and lived off the commissions, quite comfortably. It can be done, but look at the real picture. I sure don't see anything wrong with selling soap. I sure can't see anything wrong with Amway or Quixtar. You can make a lot of money there if it's done right. The problem I have always seen was the people in the business not telling the whole truth.

While Quixtar is really not a cult, they do use a lot of cult tricks. Isolating you from anyone not in the business,. Sleep deprivation, tapes and books over and over. Yes you can benefit from it, but just be aware of the tactics used.

NightHawk

First, I am a brother of an Emerald in Quixtar, and a former IBO.

My Sister and Brother-in-Law make approx 2/3 of their income off the "tools". I see nothing wrong with that, but it is not something that WWDB wants to admit to.

Most diamonds (and yes it includes WWDB) and above have to replace about 50% of their IBO's per year, so an actual "retirement" is not in the picture. Just like any business, you need to work at it and keep the pace up or your income will suffer. Gee you have to work for the money, not a hard concept, but I think it would be nice if the facts were laid out, and realistic goals and work were told up front. Perhaps if everything was laid out people would not quit so often, just my idea.

The reason I left was because I disagree with the "passing negative" downline rule. When one of the head honcho's (Britt) cheat on their wife, and have an affair, and the story is that he "retired" (All info is on the net if your care to look,). Another diamond is messing around on his wife, with a DD under him, and his upline Double Diamond has her business "pulled" due to the rule of messing with someone's spouse, and his Diamond doesn't have to answer because she was not married.

And a Diamond in SLC gets arrested for kicking his wife's mother in the stomach... AND WWDB hushed all this up, I just can't get behind people like this. I was told to tell downline that my upline was good Christians, men and women of integrity, and "edify" my upline, I just could not do it. (All of the above are in court documents, and available on the web if you care to look it up) (oops thats negitive isn't it? not supposed to look at that.. Bad IBO!!)

All in all, it is a business. Did anyone tell you that technically, according to the rules ,if you don't have 10 customers, you are not supposed to get a bonus check? It is in the rules that comes with the kit, check it out. Also, you are told that you are a business owner, and it is your business, but oh yeah, there are some rules, I.E. you can't advertise, you can't put an ad in the phone book, you can't have a storefront.... Geez is it my business or what?

The best use of this business I seen, was one of my crossline sold to industry, and lived off the commissions, quite comfortably. It can be done, but look at the real picture. I sure don't see anything wrong with selling soap. I sure can't see anything wrong with Amway or Quixtar. You can make a lot of money there if it's done right. The problem I have always seen was the people in the business not telling the whole truth.

While Quixtar is really not a cult, they do use a lot of cult tricks. Isolating you from anyone not in the business,. Sleep deprivation, tapes and books over and over. Yes you can benefit from it, but just be aware of the tactics used.

NightHawk

First, I am a brother of an Emerald in Quixtar, and a former IBO.

My Sister and Brother-in-Law make approx 2/3 of their income off the "tools". I see nothing wrong with that, but it is not something that WWDB wants to admit to.

Most diamonds (and yes it includes WWDB) and above have to replace about 50% of their IBO's per year, so an actual "retirement" is not in the picture. Just like any business, you need to work at it and keep the pace up or your income will suffer. Gee you have to work for the money, not a hard concept, but I think it would be nice if the facts were laid out, and realistic goals and work were told up front. Perhaps if everything was laid out people would not quit so often, just my idea.

The reason I left was because I disagree with the "passing negative" downline rule. When one of the head honcho's (Britt) cheat on their wife, and have an affair, and the story is that he "retired" (All info is on the net if your care to look,). Another diamond is messing around on his wife, with a DD under him, and his upline Double Diamond has her business "pulled" due to the rule of messing with someone's spouse, and his Diamond doesn't have to answer because she was not married.

And a Diamond in SLC gets arrested for kicking his wife's mother in the stomach... AND WWDB hushed all this up, I just can't get behind people like this. I was told to tell downline that my upline was good Christians, men and women of integrity, and "edify" my upline, I just could not do it. (All of the above are in court documents, and available on the web if you care to look it up) (oops thats negitive isn't it? not supposed to look at that.. Bad IBO!!)

All in all, it is a business. Did anyone tell you that technically, according to the rules ,if you don't have 10 customers, you are not supposed to get a bonus check? It is in the rules that comes with the kit, check it out. Also, you are told that you are a business owner, and it is your business, but oh yeah, there are some rules, I.E. you can't advertise, you can't put an ad in the phone book, you can't have a storefront.... Geez is it my business or what?

The best use of this business I seen, was one of my crossline sold to industry, and lived off the commissions, quite comfortably. It can be done, but look at the real picture. I sure don't see anything wrong with selling soap. I sure can't see anything wrong with Amway or Quixtar. You can make a lot of money there if it's done right. The problem I have always seen was the people in the business not telling the whole truth.

While Quixtar is really not a cult, they do use a lot of cult tricks. Isolating you from anyone not in the business,. Sleep deprivation, tapes and books over and over. Yes you can benefit from it, but just be aware of the tactics used.

NightHawk

quixtar/amway

some people makes it work others don't. i have been to a group meeting when its free for the people who thinks who wants to join & i say three thing NOT FOR ME!!! now for the people who goes if you love it good but not for me NO. don't need it or help keep my spirit up SHOW ME THE MONEY & i'm fine. now Melinda i hope your ready to hear this & it may shock alot of you all but this is a FACT NOT FICTION or MYTH the owner of amazon the one who made amazon. are you READY!!! before he made amazon he is & still is part of quixtar/amway sorry to tell you that & maybe you already know this. when they let me read his book i was very impressed. no i am not doing it but still that impressed me so who knows how many other people in it & we don't even know. who knows maybe he quite from it but i don't think so & there is a person in quixtar that cheeted on his wife & he left her but guess what he is still part of quixtar/amway. its all about money to me & thats fine just don't get lost like me i with iabnew.com/asian which we sell benefits i love it. cause when one of those people come up to me to talk about there business i tell them about mine to. hehehaha you should see there face. ex: they ask me do i like to make money; sure i replay its just like your business every sell i make money with bouns every month & then that look they have its priceless they look at me & say ahh not me it takes 79 people for me to make 2500 a month & they still have to make there 250 a month. not 249.99 means no money for them they leave me alone after that but i give the my card telling them call me if they need more money. LOL!!! LMFAO!!! I LOVE IT!!! HEHEHAHA!!!

I wanted to thank you for saying just about the same thing I would. I have been gone for a while but now Im back. Are the brainwashed ones not hearing me? Instead of going off your little hopes and dreams look at facts. Im not negative I am what you call realistic. Look up the report on CNN about quixtar. The vice pres. ADMITS the scam when he thought the camera was no longer on him. He straight said the real money comes from the ones selling the tools and tickets. Sure you can make a few bucks with the products but guess what that is called wise guys....a rebate. I did my research and did not just get excited and run with hopes and dreams. And please if you idiots can't think of your own words and have to use quixtars, you are proving my point even more so it is best not to respond. Happy to report that my hunny has not even mentioned quixtar in months. We have never been happier. To the other realistic people, keep your head on straight and don't let these people pull the wool over your eyes.

Mmmm.... did everyone notice that Jonathan didn't mention anything about the Quixtar Motivational Organizations such as WWDB? Why didn't he defend these money sucking leaches, because he can't. Try becoming an IBO without fully participating in the motivational organization and see what kind of support you receive. Remember folks "The tapes, books, seminars, functions are all optional, but so is success!". "Nobody has ever made Diamond without participating in the System".

Former Diamond Bo Short
- The real measure of a diamond's success in a Quixtar-related system is not the size of his check from Quixtar. It is not his PV or BV even. The measure by which the system evaluates a diamond's success is the number of people he/she can get on standing order tapes and books and the number of their downline regularly attending functions. Period. My experience is that a system "pin" will begin to make more from their share of the tools profits than they do from Quixtar products (PV/BV and bonuses) at about the emerald level and will make the great majority of their income from tools rather than Quixtar products at the diamond level and above. Again, this is not only my experience, but the company's own study agrees with me:


Former Emerald Jeff Probst
- We're not talking small money for Emeralds. It is my belief that most Emeralds make approximately half of their income in Amway from the system.

Our Yearly Expenses as an Emerald Couple
SOT & GG $648
BOM $120
Tools $1200
Open Meetings $96
Rallies $320
Major Functions $2300
Transportation $5000
Total: $9684
This is a conservative estimate of all money spent outside of Amway products and services. In other words, this money goes into the system.

-Moving onto tapes. Currently, I am selling around 4000 tapes a month through my organization, along with many other tools from the system. The retail cost collectively to my distributor organization is about $50,000+ per month. This earns me about $2000.00+ per month in "tape breaks". Although it is certainly a guess on my part, I think it is easy to see that my Diamonds are easily making at least $10,000 per month from my groups' tools alone. Remember, my group is just one of many other groups within their group.


Former Diamond Don Lorencz
-I joined Amway in Alberta Canada in February 1989 and was part of the True North, Wilson, Yager organizations and soon after I built my business to the diamond level I realized that the Crawfords, Towers, Wilsons and Yagers of this world appeared more interested in 'getting rich' off of selling tapes, books and function tickets to 'their group' than they did in ever helping anyone build their Amway business!

Former Amway Executive Diamond Trevor Chatham
- The chances of a person making substantial income from an Amway business are very remote

- A substantial income from an Amway business, even if achieved, is unlikely to be able to be maintained



Rich DeVos co-founder of Amway in 1983 knew there was a problem (from his Directly Speaking Tapes)
-Let me talk to you about the legal side, beyond price fixing, that deals with pyramids, that deals with the illegal operation of a business that does not have an end consumer, where the product is not retailed. That would include all books and tapes. The sad news, folks, is that when those things go out that way and they become excessive, beyond my ten or twenty percent theoretical guideline, hopefully acceptable, to where it's a reasonable support system, but not beyond the reasonable element, then it becomes an out and out illegal pyramid.

-Now, the tape business, if it is not used as a support for the Amway business, will oftentimes be an illegal business -- in fact, it could be called a pyramid -- because, d -- does not get sold to the consumer



Just wanted to clear all that up.

I see alot of mention about the Better Business Bureau...

Let's see just what they had to say about Quixtar:

Any markings such as
-------->1. First off, what is Quixtar?

Quixtar Inc. is a Web-based e-commerce business launched September 1, 1999. Quixtar offers consumer shopping, membership benefits and business ownership opportunities on the Internet. Quixtar operates using a form of marketing called "referral marketing" or more commonly, "direct selling." Independent Business Owners (IBOs) powered by Quixtar refer customers to www.quixtar.com for products and services and earn income based on sales resulting from their referrals and on sales made by other IBOs they have registered. Each IBO's individual success >>>> and the selling efforts of those whom they register.

>Note that it never said "PYRAMID SCHEME."

Quixtar offers two additional levels of participation: Client and Member. Members are retail customers who register with Quixtar and pay an annual fee of $19.95 to buy product at preferred pricing. Clients are retail customers who can shop the Quixtar Web site without a charge, but purchase products at full retail prices. All Members and Clients must register with a Quixtar IBO; if they do not know one, Quixtar can refer them to one in their area.

------->2. Okay, so how is Quixtar doing overall?
Based on BBB files, this company has a satisfactory record
with the Bureau. A satisfactory record means a company has been in business for at least 12 months, and properly addressed matters referred by the Bureau. The company does not have an unusual volume of complaints, or any government actions involving its marketplace conduct. The Bureau understands and has no concerns about the company's products, services and type of business.

------>3. Could you clear up what a "satisfactory record is?"

BBB Definition:

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Just wanted to clear all that up.

All I have to say is shame on you Benjamin for trying to post a sales pitch to Ashley as your rebuttal to her dilemma regarding her fiance & Quixtar. Are you crazy? I did a search on WORLD WIDE DREAM BUILDERS just as you said to do & surprise!!!! Guess what I found? AMWAY WORLD WIDE DREAM BUILDERS & THE THINGS THEY WILL SAY TO PROFIT FROM YOUR DREAM! It lists 46 things that you will be told from recruiters that are in your WWDB network of people.

THIS IS #46:
You will be told that people fail at the business. The business doesn't fail people. You will never hear of lines of sponsorship that collapse or people not being able to afford the business after considerable financial losses. Any of this sound familiar? While you are surrounded by all of your new Amway "Friends," eating only Amway food, using only Amway products in your home, it is hard to see the abnormality of it all. If your upline has done their job correctly, you will no longer see friends or family who aren't in "the business." You're only socializing is done at WWDB meetings, major functions, seminars, rallies, opens & product pick-up or over Amvox. You will be strapped financially trying to pay for over-priced products, opens, rallies, seminars, tapes, books, business supplies, Amvox, etc.,& they will tell you again & again that this is normal. But don't ever talk negative with crossline or downline! Make everyone think that you are successful already! Tell lies! Live a lie!

Who are you kidding Benjamin? Your wonderful WWDB is no more than an affiliation of the old Amway, which is now Quixtar. Gee, I wonder why Amway had to change their name to Quixtar? Do you think it's because they're business practices were so deceptive & unethical that they had no choice but to start the business over under a different name? Once a pyramid scheme, always a pyramid scheme. Lies, all lies!

PS. Ashley, read #46 in this post very carefully
That is exactly why Quixtar wants to see you out of the picture so they can brainwash your fiance without your interference especially since they know that you're not buying into their scam.

After reding your first post, I would just like to share my recent Quixtar experience with you. I was approached by friends about getting into this business. As a single mom raising a teenage daughter & not making very much money at my current job, I thought that I could possibly better myself, so I agreed to attend a meeting with my friends to find out something about this business. Had I known that Quixtar was formerly Amway, I would have made up my mind right there on the spot not to go to the meeting. Amway was no different than Quixtar in the fact that they use cult like techniques to brainwash you into believing that you can gain financial freedom, have all this extra time to spend with your family along with having all the riches & wealth that they themselves have obtained by only working the business 10-15 hours a week! Heaven forbid should anyone say that they have not made any money off of Quixtar, because then you're considered lazy & not motivated.

This business is one big farce & no more than a string of continuous lies that are being told by Quixtar recruiters. I'm very sorry that your fiance does not see things the way that you do. He will regret it in the end after he loses thousands of dollars. I have nothing to gain by voicing my opinion about Quixtar & I have not lost anything either because I have chosen not to get into the business. I was very close, however, because my friends really believe that they can achieve their "DREAM" & financial freedom through this company. They work very hard at this business, but have yet to make any money from it. In fact they have lost a great deal of money & continue to lose money through weekly meetings, books, tapes, over priced products, functions, rallies & any other motivational crap that they're strongly encouraged to purchase in order to "succeed in the business."

It sounds as though your fiance is already brainwashed & until he pulls his head out of the clouds & gets back to reality, a marriage with him will never work. You're already doomed for divorce. Don't let anyone tell you that you need to be more supportive of him or that it's your fault that he's not succeeding in this business because you don't believe in him. That's all just a bunch of B.S. He has been duped! It's that simple! The only people making money through Quixtar are the top dogs selling motivation! I heard very little about selling product in the meeting I went to, but everything about selling motivational crap. The meetings are so hyped up full of people that are so eager to be your friend & lure you further into the business.

They love you until you say something negative. Then beware! You suddenly become the enemy! Quixtar recruiters get very angry & rude if you don't buy into their business concept. My advice to you, since you seem to have a good head on your shoulders, is to let your fiance go. This is obviously something that you both will always disagree on. You need to step out of the picture & just allow him to get involved with the business on his own. Whatever you do, do not give him any of your own money to invest. If he feels the need to attend all of the meetings, functions & rallies, rather than being with you, then find something of your own to get involved in. You're very wise not to get sucked into this worthless money making scheme. He will find out very soon that this business will consume him as well as all of his time & eventually break him financially. My best to you.

First, Quixtar is a business, they are in the business of moving products. They have all of their rules, guidelines, facts and figures,etc.,available for you if you are trying to sign up. Read them.

Second, Quixtar carries exclusive products.
Some are good, some arent, some are overpriced
and some can really save you some money.

Third, Quixtar never tells you to join any of the marketing groups (wwdb or the others)
and they say that if you buy the other companies stuff ( books,cd's etc.) Thats your choice and quixtar doesnt give you a refund for another companies stuff.

Lastly, I've been an IBO for years. I dont waste my time or money on cd's, books,and expensive meetings. I dont belong to any group that says
they are going to give me the way to get rich.
Simply put, Quixtar is a company that supplies products that I will use or sell. They are a very good supplier and nothing like a cult.

I'm not sure who your fiance is associating with
but I know that it isnt anyone from the Quixtar company. Its one of the groups that are going to make him wealthy.

If an IBO would redirect the money they spend month after month to support the lifestyle of the Tool Kingpins into a solid Mutual Fund they would be so much better off both timewise and money wise. I had an online discussion back in 1999 with wanna-be Diamonds when Quixtar was coming online. They kept telling me about how Quixtar was going to be the only financial salvation they have to keep from being broke when they are 60. Well, I mentioned how I was going invest in the stock market and dollar cost monthly into a mutual fund and that they could do the same with the money they are wasting on motivational tools/functions. I got back.. "Oh no, the stock market is gambling.. you'll lose all your money..it's going to crash! blah blah blah.. (Obviously told to them by their upline..so the IBO would think tools/functions are the only way to go). (Funny thing here is that the Nasdaq did crash soon after..again..it's about long term investing, diversification, living below your means, and dollar cost averaging. This major drop in the Nasdaq barely affected me.. it actually was a great buying opportunity)

Well here it is seven years later and that $3000 dollar initial investment with monthly investments of $150 ($350 a month for the last year and half) has now reached over $30,000. If I keep going at the rate I'm going ($350 a month with around %11 percent return) in 15 years I will have around $314,000. Not bad for a little account! (Gee I could have given this to Dexter.. ha ha)! This doesn't even include my 401K with a large balance.. and my IRA's plus the other investment accounts I have. (In 2000 I opened up two other investment accounts with $3000 each and they are worth around $34,000 now) I'll probably semi-retire in 15 years (I'm 40 now) or maybe completely retire..who knows.

During those seven years I've been to London twice..Vegas twice..two Carribean cruises.. yearly beach vacations..camping trips..vancouver vaction...lobster festivals in Maine..many weekend getaways... every weekend & night free to watch what I want and do what I want. I wasn't going to meetings every week and expensive functions every 3-4 months, hanging out at malls looking for winners, wasting time listening to tapes and destroying my car driving all over hell to STP to try and overcome a 50% dropout rate. Ahhhhh.. freedom is great!

What I do can be done by anyone, even those 99% of folks in Quixtar who lose money supporting the lifestyle of the Tool Kingpins.

James, thank you for offering up your example. While I disagree with some of what you said, at least you have the spirit of a salesman!

James said:
The first month I recieved a check for $8, but I didnt falter. They told me to stick with the plan and everything would come around. I continued through March and April with checks of $67 and $115. In May, I personally signed up only 4 people but my team put 12 others under me. My check for that month was $234. June has been much the same. So far since June 1, I have personally signed up 6 people. My check is going to be over $300.

That's under $1000 in 6 months, and that will continue to grow, but only if your current downline grows. You seriously don't think you can control other people like that, do you? You yourself admit you drank half the profits on your vitamins and shake drinks.

James also said:
Its just too bad that I am four months further along to my dreams, and you are still stuck in the same rut.

Your highest check for a month is $300.00 which you probably worked your butt off for, and I'm the guy "stuck in the same rut"?

Yeah, I'm stuck in the same rut, earning paycheck to paycheck, doing the 9-5. Oh noes! But my rut includes a house, two cars, weekends off, paid vacation, 401K, stock options, medical, dental, vision and leaving my work at work and not parroting the endless "have I got a deal for you" pitch, with money signs glazed in my eyes.

You "got me" with working your own hours. I don't always get to choose when I work. But $300 doesn't even cover my car payment. And I never finished college.


Melinda said:
But the great thing is that I don't have to deal with going there finding a parking spot walking around the store, standing in line to check out, loading and unloading the car and my son, not to mention the driving. I do anough of that with my other business I own.

Right, and you don't get the satisfaction of going out and buying something and bringing it home. I could do the same thing, essentially, on Ebay without having to pay as much into the system, and still wait 2 weeks to get my stuff delivered.

"G" in Mass. said:
But if you fail at something and others are doing it dont be negative and try to knock it down because you could not do it.

98% of people fail at this business, G, and 99% NEVER earn a sustainable wage. You can blow smoke up people's skirt at your coffee-cake-and-tea meetings and talk about "Dream Building" on your time, but on this website, you have to answer to reality. For the few hundred that do really well, there are thousands and thousands more that are, or go, completely broke. It's not a matter of being negative, its a matter of being realistic.

"G" in Mass also said:
Get A Life & Stop Trying To Mess With Other Peoples!!

I'm trying to save people, G. You'll hold both hands over your ears when it comes to the FACTS. So who is REALLY messing with "other peoples"?

Pieter said:
My business is growing to such an extend that September 2007 I will retire financially free and without debt for the rest of my life.

There are lots of lottery winners who say the same thing.

Hey, there's an untapped, unsaturated market! South Africa!


Timothy said:
See how even your "impressive" earnings really aren't much at all? You're making twice as much as the average IBO, and you're still netting less than 1/3 of what most McDonald's workers make.

Exactly!!!

We're getting rich!
If we're not getting rich, we're breaking even!
If we're not breaking even, you still get a good deal by joining my downline.
If we double the average, we're making under minimum wage, but we're FRIENDS.
And if THAT doesn't work....
Then I'm "having fun".

Some of you WWDB people are hilarious, pretending that important things aren't important (like a steady income), and then chalking up failure to "it's a hobby/fun thing/family time", all the while convincing other people that they need to join "this winning strategy". People join believing YOUR WORD that this is a great opportunity. But when they fail like STATISTICS SAY THEY WILL and talk negative, you guys pretend that we're just here to "bring you down" because we're "miserable failures" who "gave up the dream".

I do hope guys like James can grow and retire on his business someday. But the odds are sadly stacked against him. Call me negative, but at least admit that my negativity is based on reality numbers and percentages, NOT feelings, NOT personal opinions.

Do a Google on "MLM drop out" and then come back and argue facts. Better yet, google mythofmlmincome.

Take THAT to one of your meetings, and when you can address the reality of the program you're convinced will make you rich, let me know, and if you can refute those objections, I'll join posthaste!

All of the arguments for and/or against Amway/Quixtar are valid. First learn about passive income. This is just one way to build up a passive income. Not my way to do it but that does not matter.

Beware of orders for tools to build the business especially if the upline tells you they are "stading order". This could be a second income for the upline since very little comes from the products.

It takes an incredible amount of work to build this type of business to critical mass. The work does not end, just like dishes need washing until you die.

The "system" is on one hand excellent when the upline calls the motivational speakers like Zig, Tracy and the like to teach. The "system" on the other hand could also be viewed as a fundraiser for the upline. How do I know? I built this before and collected the funds. When monies are paid for a hotel meeting, monthly seminar, major function, there is a margin of profit that is split between the uplines of the groups involved. How it is split is not uniform from group to group. There is a margin and this is quite real. This is income that you will be privelidged to receive once a large group is built by you. You will be instructed not to share this information with your fresh downline as this may discourage them from the big dream.
Quixtar is just an online store that sells crap.
I could never get excited about trinkets and trash, cleaning products or junk that claims to keep you young and alive forever. These things to me are just not exciting. We will all die anyway regardless of product claims. What I can get excited about is a business model that could generate a passive income. Just not this business model or any one like it. I can no longer get into Mulit Level Marketing. I do absolutely love many of the books they suggested reading, which I still read one per month, on my own. Battling the negative reports is a very large battle and so it building, driving the miles, the no-shows, the ridicule over the company etc...

Do lots of homework on this by attending the meetings that are free. Once in, you have to pay the fundraiser fees. See if you would like to begin the rejection process, this is an excellent place to learn to sell. I owe all of the skills I presently have in my personal success to building the business to the level I did. Don't argue for or against the business or the company, just do or do not and prove only to yourself. You can build this big if you wish.
Just like there are weirdos where you work, go to church, shop, vactation etc.. There is no shortage of weirdos that sign up to do this thing. Many people think that just MLM's attract weirdos when you know some now in your neighborhood that work at Target.


Your success in any endeavor have not to do with what business you choose it in, but the daily habits you own. Go forth with this and conquer. Leave those alone who don't want to. If you don't want to, don't argue, just don't do. If you do want to don't argue, you could be "showing the plan" with the time or spend your time with your nose in a book. Either way, have fun. If you can't have fun, what is the purpose of anything? Cult? What is a cult? A cult is: What you believe it is. If you believe it's a cult it is. If you are discerning and have a resolute foundation, nothing is or can be. Cults only lure the weak, not the strong. Be strong and have fun.

My name is Pieter, I am an IBO (Independent Business Owner) as it is defined in South Africa.

I am so sorry to hear that there are actually individuals who thought this is a quick rich scheme. This business involves doing work once and doing it right when you are doing it and then benefit for the rest of your life.

What I have found is normally people that gets into the AMWAY/Quixtar business and sit back hoping to earn a "passive income" is those that has got the most to say about this.

This business never ever states that you do not have to work, nor did they ever state that everybody will have thousand within a month/year/millenium.

I am in this business for a year now and am totally amazed with the quality of product. My business is growing to such an extend that September 2007 I will retire financially free and without debt for the rest of my life.

You want this business to work study the team you get involved with.

I thank you for your negative comments as it gives a forum where people can get some perspective on what they want out of life.

Love all of you and hope to see you negative people in MY AMWAY business soon.

Kind regards,

Pieter Pretorius

PS... COME LET ME HELP YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK.

I Just thought I would put in my 2 cents about this thread.

First off Quixtar is not a scam you get out what you put into it. If you dont spend the time to find and talk to people and explain how it works then guess what " It wont work ". It is not a get rich quick scheme you need to start out and find people who have the same "WANT" to better their financial situation.

You may talk to 10 people and not find any to be an IBO but can be a customer of the products, you may talk to 20 people and not find any to be an IBO but can be a customer of the products ,You may talk to 30 People and not find any to be an IBO but can be a customer of the products. (SITES LIKE THIS DONT HELP YOU) You make money on moving Product not by recruting people.

Most times when someone talks to some one about Quixtar they want that person to become an IBO when they sign up and if the person does not want to sign up they do not pursue the Opportunity to have that person as a customer and maybe become an IBO down the road. When you have these people as customers you are moving product - and guess what - Making money too!!

This is not for everyone BUT it does work , Just like car sales is not for everyone- does that make it bad OR Nursing is not for everyone - does that make it bad OR child care is not for everyone - does that make it bad OR Retail Sales is not for everyone - does that make it bad OR any other way to make money you can think of. You have to work hard at it just like any other business, some people are just happy working for a job and having a boss and that is fine if that works for you , But if you fail at something and others are doing it dont be negative and try to knock it down because you could not do it.

I have a News Flash for all you Negative People that like to come here and spew all your Negative comments and get your rocks off! If you think this is a scam/rip off then why dont you go & find out (Form Searching This Site) how many places you go to and spend your money at that other people say are rip off/scams, I will Give you just a few and I bet you go to some of them. See for yourself in the search if there are any reports for places you go to now, MAYBE you should stop going there cause other people came here and said it is a Rip off/Scam.

Just cause it is not for everyone does not make it bad. Have you ever gone someplace and did not like it but other people go to the same place and like it, just cause you dont like it is no reason to talk bad about it, Get A Life & Stop Trying To Mess With Other Peoples!!

Just My Opinion & I Bet You Negative People Wont Like It. Oh Well

Timothy first off I would like to know where the heck you shop that you spend $100 per week on household goods? I spend that in one month and there are three of us in my household.

And how many of you have heard of Amazon? Guess what they sell books and tapes and have affilate partners just like WWDB and quixstar. The only differnce is that Amazon keeps all the money for themselves while WWDB are owned by everyday people and they get the profits from people shopping threw their website not a major company that has overhead and employees to pay.

Heres a perfect example. If you shop at a store and find something great and go home and tell a friend and they go out to that store and buy it does that store pay you a percentage for having that person go and buy it? The answer is NO

But what if that friend goes to your website and buys it threw there then WHOA you get paid for it. I like that much better wouldn't you?

Now I have tried many and many of things to make extra money but I have lost lots because of it. But when I checked out one of the WWDB websites I found that the same things I buy at the store I found on that site. And I'm not talking about Quixtar products. I'm talking about everyday products I find at malls and food stores in the area. But the great thing is that I don't have to deal with going there finding a parking spot walking around the store, standing in line to check out, loading and unloading the car and my son, not to mention the driving. I do anough of that with my other business I own.

I sit at home with my son on my lap and we shop at home. And I spend fun quality time with my family.

Thats what counts the most, because you never know how much time you really have on this earth.

Timothy first off I would like to know where the heck you shop that you spend $100 per week on household goods? I spend that in one month and there are three of us in my household.

And how many of you have heard of Amazon? Guess what they sell books and tapes and have affilate partners just like WWDB and quixstar. The only differnce is that Amazon keeps all the money for themselves while WWDB are owned by everyday people and they get the profits from people shopping threw their website not a major company that has overhead and employees to pay.

Heres a perfect example. If you shop at a store and find something great and go home and tell a friend and they go out to that store and buy it does that store pay you a percentage for having that person go and buy it? The answer is NO

But what if that friend goes to your website and buys it threw there then WHOA you get paid for it. I like that much better wouldn't you?

Now I have tried many and many of things to make extra money but I have lost lots because of it. But when I checked out one of the WWDB websites I found that the same things I buy at the store I found on that site. And I'm not talking about Quixtar products. I'm talking about everyday products I find at malls and food stores in the area. But the great thing is that I don't have to deal with going there finding a parking spot walking around the store, standing in line to check out, loading and unloading the car and my son, not to mention the driving. I do anough of that with my other business I own.

I sit at home with my son on my lap and we shop at home. And I spend fun quality time with my family.

Thats what counts the most, because you never know how much time you really have on this earth.

Timothy first off I would like to know where the heck you shop that you spend $100 per week on household goods? I spend that in one month and there are three of us in my household.

And how many of you have heard of Amazon? Guess what they sell books and tapes and have affilate partners just like WWDB and quixstar. The only differnce is that Amazon keeps all the money for themselves while WWDB are owned by everyday people and they get the profits from people shopping threw their website not a major company that has overhead and employees to pay.

Heres a perfect example. If you shop at a store and find something great and go home and tell a friend and they go out to that store and buy it does that store pay you a percentage for having that person go and buy it? The answer is NO

But what if that friend goes to your website and buys it threw there then WHOA you get paid for it. I like that much better wouldn't you?

Now I have tried many and many of things to make extra money but I have lost lots because of it. But when I checked out one of the WWDB websites I found that the same things I buy at the store I found on that site. And I'm not talking about Quixtar products. I'm talking about everyday products I find at malls and food stores in the area. But the great thing is that I don't have to deal with going there finding a parking spot walking around the store, standing in line to check out, loading and unloading the car and my son, not to mention the driving. I do anough of that with my other business I own.

I sit at home with my son on my lap and we shop at home. And I spend fun quality time with my family.

Thats what counts the most, because you never know how much time you really have on this earth.

Timothy first off I would like to know where the heck you shop that you spend $100 per week on household goods? I spend that in one month and there are three of us in my household.

And how many of you have heard of Amazon? Guess what they sell books and tapes and have affilate partners just like WWDB and quixstar. The only differnce is that Amazon keeps all the money for themselves while WWDB are owned by everyday people and they get the profits from people shopping threw their website not a major company that has overhead and employees to pay.

Heres a perfect example. If you shop at a store and find something great and go home and tell a friend and they go out to that store and buy it does that store pay you a percentage for having that person go and buy it? The answer is NO

But what if that friend goes to your website and buys it threw there then WHOA you get paid for it. I like that much better wouldn't you?

Now I have tried many and many of things to make extra money but I have lost lots because of it. But when I checked out one of the WWDB websites I found that the same things I buy at the store I found on that site. And I'm not talking about Quixtar products. I'm talking about everyday products I find at malls and food stores in the area. But the great thing is that I don't have to deal with going there finding a parking spot walking around the store, standing in line to check out, loading and unloading the car and my son, not to mention the driving. I do anough of that with my other business I own.

I sit at home with my son on my lap and we shop at home. And I spend fun quality time with my family.

Thats what counts the most, because you never know how much time you really have on this earth.

First, James, if you will be earning $300 for June, then you will be earning $185 more than the average IBO. Congratulations!

Now, to figure out the real income, first total up the money that you've spent on products that you purchased through Quixtar (you refered to them as "households"). Be sure to include shipping charges. Take 30% of that figure and subtract it from the $300. This approximates the inflated prices you are paying by purchasing through Quixtar.

Next, subtract from that figure all of your expenditures (i.e. gas money and the cost of meals when recruiting) and the approximately $85 you spent on "tools."

Next, add up all the time you spent on Quixtar tasks over the month. Divide this figure into the adjusted earnings to come up with an hourly average. Be sure to include all the time you spent at meetings, all the time spent recruiting, and all the time you spent with your nose in some stupid Kiyosaki book.

Next, and this is the hard part, try to put a dollar figure on the damage that you've done to your family and social lives by turning every personal interaction into a sales pitch. We won't actually try to figure this into the final calculation.

If you spent $100 each week on "households" your adjusted Quixtar income would be roughly $95. If you spent $15 each week on other business related expenditures you go down to $35. If you then spent about 5 hours per week on Quixtar tasks, your hourly Quixtar income is going to come out to a little less than $2.

See how even your "impressive" earnings really aren't much at all? You're making twice as much as the average IBO, and you're still netting less than 1/3 of what most McDonald's workers make.

And what happens now? Who's going to put new recruits in the downlines of your new recruits? Where are THOSE going to come from? If you needed those additions to boost your own income to any kind of appreciable amount, and you are an above average IBO, then aren't your recruits going to need them too?

You see how this whole thing is a mathematical fallacy?

First, James, if you will be earning $300 for June, then you will be earning $185 more than the average IBO. Congratulations!

Now, to figure out the real income, first total up the money that you've spent on products that you purchased through Quixtar (you refered to them as "households"). Be sure to include shipping charges. Take 30% of that figure and subtract it from the $300. This approximates the inflated prices you are paying by purchasing through Quixtar.

Next, subtract from that figure all of your expenditures (i.e. gas money and the cost of meals when recruiting) and the approximately $85 you spent on "tools."

Next, add up all the time you spent on Quixtar tasks over the month. Divide this figure into the adjusted earnings to come up with an hourly average. Be sure to include all the time you spent at meetings, all the time spent recruiting, and all the time you spent with your nose in some stupid Kiyosaki book.

Next, and this is the hard part, try to put a dollar figure on the damage that you've done to your family and social lives by turning every personal interaction into a sales pitch. We won't actually try to figure this into the final calculation.

If you spent $100 each week on "households" your adjusted Quixtar income would be roughly $95. If you spent $15 each week on other business related expenditures you go down to $35. If you then spent about 5 hours per week on Quixtar tasks, your hourly Quixtar income is going to come out to a little less than $2.

See how even your "impressive" earnings really aren't much at all? You're making twice as much as the average IBO, and you're still netting less than 1/3 of what most McDonald's workers make.

And what happens now? Who's going to put new recruits in the downlines of your new recruits? Where are THOSE going to come from? If you needed those additions to boost your own income to any kind of appreciable amount, and you are an above average IBO, then aren't your recruits going to need them too?

You see how this whole thing is a mathematical fallacy?

First, James, if you will be earning $300 for June, then you will be earning $185 more than the average IBO. Congratulations!

Now, to figure out the real income, first total up the money that you've spent on products that you purchased through Quixtar (you refered to them as "households"). Be sure to include shipping charges. Take 30% of that figure and subtract it from the $300. This approximates the inflated prices you are paying by purchasing through Quixtar.

Next, subtract from that figure all of your expenditures (i.e. gas money and the cost of meals when recruiting) and the approximately $85 you spent on "tools."

Next, add up all the time you spent on Quixtar tasks over the month. Divide this figure into the adjusted earnings to come up with an hourly average. Be sure to include all the time you spent at meetings, all the time spent recruiting, and all the time you spent with your nose in some stupid Kiyosaki book.

Next, and this is the hard part, try to put a dollar figure on the damage that you've done to your family and social lives by turning every personal interaction into a sales pitch. We won't actually try to figure this into the final calculation.

If you spent $100 each week on "households" your adjusted Quixtar income would be roughly $95. If you spent $15 each week on other business related expenditures you go down to $35. If you then spent about 5 hours per week on Quixtar tasks, your hourly Quixtar income is going to come out to a little less than $2.

See how even your "impressive" earnings really aren't much at all? You're making twice as much as the average IBO, and you're still netting less than 1/3 of what most McDonald's workers make.

And what happens now? Who's going to put new recruits in the downlines of your new recruits? Where are THOSE going to come from? If you needed those additions to boost your own income to any kind of appreciable amount, and you are an above average IBO, then aren't your recruits going to need them too?

You see how this whole thing is a mathematical fallacy?

First, James, if you will be earning $300 for June, then you will be earning $185 more than the average IBO. Congratulations!

Now, to figure out the real income, first total up the money that you've spent on products that you purchased through Quixtar (you refered to them as "households"). Be sure to include shipping charges. Take 30% of that figure and subtract it from the $300. This approximates the inflated prices you are paying by purchasing through Quixtar.

Next, subtract from that figure all of your expenditures (i.e. gas money and the cost of meals when recruiting) and the approximately $85 you spent on "tools."

Next, add up all the time you spent on Quixtar tasks over the month. Divide this figure into the adjusted earnings to come up with an hourly average. Be sure to include all the time you spent at meetings, all the time spent recruiting, and all the time you spent with your nose in some stupid Kiyosaki book.

Next, and this is the hard part, try to put a dollar figure on the damage that you've done to your family and social lives by turning every personal interaction into a sales pitch. We won't actually try to figure this into the final calculation.

If you spent $100 each week on "households" your adjusted Quixtar income would be roughly $95. If you spent $15 each week on other business related expenditures you go down to $35. If you then spent about 5 hours per week on Quixtar tasks, your hourly Quixtar income is going to come out to a little less than $2.

See how even your "impressive" earnings really aren't much at all? You're making twice as much as the average IBO, and you're still netting less than 1/3 of what most McDonald's workers make.

And what happens now? Who's going to put new recruits in the downlines of your new recruits? Where are THOSE going to come from? If you needed those additions to boost your own income to any kind of appreciable amount, and you are an above average IBO, then aren't your recruits going to need them too?

You see how this whole thing is a mathematical fallacy?

Ashley, Nick, or whoever...

I am glad I stumbled onto this website and your comments. I got involved in The Team, an affiliate of quixtar, in February this year right around the time of your first post on this subject. At the time I was searching the net looking for positives and negatives about the company.

I was filled with promises from the first meeting. Promises of a better life, where I had more time to be with my family, more time for whatever. They also filled me with the promise of riches and fulfillment of all my dreams (I'm sure we've all heard of the dream circle).

I was pumped up about this opportunity! The first month I recieved a check for $8, but I didnt falter. They told me to stick with the plan and everything would come around. I continued through March and April with checks of $67 and $115. In May, I personally signed up only 4 people but my team put 12 others under me. My check for that month was $234. June has been much the same. So far since June 1, I have personally signed up 6 people. My check is going to be over $300.

You guys were so right about this opportunity. I have spent about $195, $75 for the kit and $120 for tools, which I have only bought for the last two months. Of course, you have to purchase households through the website, but we dont really count that money. You see, I was 260lbs when I started this program. I started using quixtars vitamins, XS drinks and Trim program and have lost 50lbs over the last four months. I no longer think negatively or feel depressed, because of my situation. You can do the math. If I chose to get out right now, I would still have made $479 in profits.

I have many more friends than I used to and now I know that I can accomplish my goals because I am more confident than ever. Is this just typical quixtar talk? Yeah, it is. So what, we dont really need you and the endless spilling of negativity. We know that it works. Its just too bad that I am four months further along to my dreams, and you are still stuck in the same rut.

This quixtar company is filled with alot of God fearing good peoplw who are simply brainwashed. My wife joined, She was so excited to be around other christian people in a christian envirment. They referenced God alot at meetings, and sometimes prayed. She wanted to do this on her own. Soon after, she wanted my help. I tried to help her. I felt the Amway pressure. Friends became scarce, people would turn and walk the other way when seeing us. Our upline sacrificed the best years of their life for this company, trying to make the dream happen. They were making good money. To achive this, became a lifestyle, sacrificing quality time with their kids and each other. They lived, eat n breath quixtar. 24/7. the result? there making a good income... at the expense of what really matters in life. Family and friends. their marrage has suffered, relationships suffer, etc.

So, yes, it is possible to make a good income at quixtar.he real question is...are you willing to sacrifice your family and friends? Sure they will try to surround you with like minded new friends. "work it hard for a few years and then take time for your family" the problem is, for every few that come in, some are leaving. You will never reach that point, and if by some chance you do... you will be all alone. You will die alone. Nobody from quixtar will be at your funeral, unless they can sell tapes and product at the wake. When we stopped ordering, our upline dropped us like a hot potato . No more calls, as they have no time for anyone who isnt 'working the bisiness" Not an mlm??? you be the judge. By their definition....no. Look it up or google it...you will see diferently. Nothing pisses me off more than when a scam artist references God, to set your mind at ease. Not unlike John Beck and his band of Morman scum. Sure you will get nasty rebuttals from the quixtar camp. They want to believe this is good. After all...theyve given up there lives for it. Id rather be financially poor, and have the love of my family and friends, than rich, and empty hearted. chip

I have ONE question for anyone who works as an IBO.

How much money do you make off Quixtar?

And can you back it up?


(Enjoy the silence)

Do you have any idea how many times the example of wal-mart giving you a check was used? You know why they don't give you a check b/c you buy it cheap as it is! Quixtar will send a few dollars to half way make up for the huge price you paid! Trust me he put a lot of time, he uplines were constantly up our butts and it still don't work. One problem, people don't want to do it bc it sounds like a scam. 2 your not going to make but so much money off the products. But you will learn will time grass hopper. But stop rebutting with quixtar brainwash quotes. Just be careful. This is amyway with a name change. Do the research. Go to google this is also described as a cult. Anyway silly have fun working you butt off to get a 10 dollar check and you actually would have gotten more than 10 bucks by shopping at walmart!

I just purchased a franchise through Quxitar and I'm already seeing results! I've been asked to get involved with this business concept before but passed on it because I thought it was a scam. However a few weeks ago my friend talked to me again and I was convinced. I've known this friend for 10 years now so I trust him. And I know several things for fact -

1 - He owns a house the same size as mine and he makes less money at his "regular" job than I do.

2 - his wife doesn't work anymore, she stays at home.

3 - he three cars, Mercedes, Chevy suburban, and a little car he uses as a little bang up job.

4 - They're always going on business trips to all kinds of nice places and he's not one of these big shot guys who sells tickets to seminars and what not.

Now I put all of that together and there's NO WAY he could afford to do all of that without some other type of income coming in!

He's the other thing about those meetings, seminars and educational materials. I attend the two meeting a month just so I can learn more about the company, the concept if you will. I'm not brain-washed, I'm my own person and I'm going to handle my business the way I choose.

NOW, I actually have to agree with you on the seminars and what not. I'm not in to all of that stuff. I rely on my friend for all the information I need. The other night I stayed for a "training" session and I will never go again. It was pretty corny and it was all about ways to move more products. I want to make more money just like the next guy but I'm going to do it on my own terms with compassion and honesty.

Here's the long and the short of it - Quixtar is just like any other company. What are companies in business for? To make money, right? The founders of Quixtar didn't wake up one day and say "hey, let's set up this business plan for the sole purpose of helping people" but what they did do is this - what's the best way to sell something, spending millions on advertising or throwing someone a bone when they buy their products. And guess what, if you tell other people about these products and they buy them too then you get even more bones. But you actually need to work at it to make money. If you don't go to work do you get paid? Chances are pretty good that you don't, eh? Same thing with your b/f, I don't know how hard he's been working at it but I talked to 10 or 12 people before I signed my first IBO. I took me 2 weeks but I did it.

When I first told my wife I was going to do this she asked me if I was serious. Her exact words to me were "you're not actually going to do that crap are you?" I told her I needed to find out for myself what it's all about. I asked her to be suppotive and let me figure this out. I went to a meeting and listened to what they had to say then took a long hard look at the figures and what was "really" going on.

Once I figured out why Quixtar uses IBO's to move products I realized it's not a scam. The tax write off is an actual benefit as well. I made a spread sheet so I can keep track of this stuff. I own my own home so one of the benefits is being able to write off part of my mortgage intrest and taxes. When I talk to people about this I tell them straight up that these are the things that "I" can claim, and if they rent an apartment then they might not be able to claim the same things that I do. It's different for everyone.

I'm not some brain-washed robot that goes to these seminars or stuff like that. I'm determined to make my franchise work without all of that crap!

If your boyfriend is having trouble then chances are the person that signed him up is a jerk and isn't helping him out. The other thing is you don't have to buy all of those "educational materials" I might buy a few because they really are good tools if you use them correctly. But guess what. When is the last time you made a purchase based off of what someone said or an advertisement? Same thing.

I'm not saying there aren't rats, robots, and brain-washers in Quixtar. But Quixtar isn't the only environment where this type of behavior happens. It's up to the individual to make their own decisions and build their own business/franchise the way they want to build it.

Again, it all comes down to Quixtar wanting to sell products. To do it they offer bonuses based off of volume of sales to IBO's. The way you increase your volume in sales is invite other to do the same. That's it. The higher the volume the bigger the bonus. Do you think a sales person who sells $100 a month should be entitled to the same bonus as a sales person who sells $5000 a month - I don't, do you?

The other thing is I didn't just wake up one day and say "man, how do I get my hands on these products" but I wanted to own my own business and one day be debt free. To me this was the cheapest, easiest way to do it. Notice I didn't say fastest. To be where I want to be it could take up to five years. But you'll never know until you try. And if I'm wrong after five years and I really don't have anything to show for it, well at least I tried. BUT, what if I give it my all and it works out? Then I'll be laughing all the way to the bank just like my friend. And if you work it right you're really not out anything. It's stuff you would have bought anyway, you just bought it through Quixtar instead of Target or Wal-Mart. When's the last time you bought stuff from Wal-Mart and they gave you a bonus check? Quxitar does and it's up to the individual to determine how big tha bonus is. Remember, this is buying stuff you would buy anyway.

This will be my last paragraph because I know you're probably getting sick of reading but like I said before, your b/f probably hooked up with the wrong person and he should be his own man, not who others want him to be. In fact he should probably tell them to go F themselves if that's the way they are. My friend actually helps me and tells me the real deal. I do the same for people I tell. This business model can work and it is working. Your b/f just needs to have patience, persistence and listen to his heart. If something doesn't feel right then chances are it that's probably the case. Just like when I went to that "training" meeting the other day. I knew that wasn't the way I wanted to do business - pushing people to buy, buy, buy even though it would help me make more money. I know that eventually one day I'll either be where I want to be finacially or close to it. But I'm going to do it on my own terms treated people the way I'd want to be treated. Greed does funny things to people. I don't plan on falling victim to it. I'm a real person with real dreams. I have a nice house with a wife and two kids. I only want to provide for my family in a different way. This business isn't for everyone, maybe it wasn't for your boyfriend. If you're interested in talking to me privately about this you can go to my website *****************.com and send an email through the "testimonials" section.

Later,

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The only people making enough money to quit there jobs are the ones that are on top selling books, tapes, and seminars. Those products can't get you rich. Anyway my b/f realized after going out every single day doing everything he was supposed to be doing he was not making any money. So now he is starting his own real business b/c the only thing quixtar did for him was make him crave a real business. But anyways glad you were not sucked into it.

The only people making enough money to quit there jobs are the ones that are on top selling books, tapes, and seminars. Those products can't get you rich. Anyway my b/f realized after going out every single day doing everything he was supposed to be doing he was not making any money. So now he is starting his own real business b/c the only thing quixtar did for him was make him crave a real business. But anyways glad you were not sucked into it.

The only people making enough money to quit there jobs are the ones that are on top selling books, tapes, and seminars. Those products can't get you rich. Anyway my b/f realized after going out every single day doing everything he was supposed to be doing he was not making any money. So now he is starting his own real business b/c the only thing quixtar did for him was make him crave a real business. But anyways glad you were not sucked into it.

Ashley and group,

It was interesting hearing so many different thoughts on Quixtar. I, too, was presented the business. I apparently don't know as much as ya'll but I can add this comment. I have multiply friends in the business. They say it is not for everyone and my wife and I apparently are some of those that did not see "the dream". Anyway, I know for a fact, that my friend Steve's wife was able to quit her job due to this business.

My friend Tony's wife was a professor and now stays home with her four kids due to this business. Both Steve and Tony tell me they will be quitting there jobs soon to "build their businesses full time". My friend Dan's wife doesn't work but I don't believe she ever did much. Now, what I found interesting was couples of their upline both still worked so they showed me some chart on how based on volume and some other stuff that someone lower could make more money than someone higher. I don't know a whole lot but I know Laurie and Jody don't have jobs. I wish my wife didn't have to work but hey school teachers aren't rich so these guys chasing "their dreams" I guess as someone else said I should support them. They have never cut me up for wanting to teach children instead of build a business so I will not cut them up for wanting to build a business. By the way someone mentioned a group ... these guys are part of BWW or BBW ..l. Britt something.

Ashley, just a little advice from a guy. Give your man some support in whatever he does because if he is like me he only wants what is best for you and is trying the best way he knows how to do. It is all that Knight in Shining Armor crap we learn from being little. Men take care of your women.

Have a great night. God Bless.

Ashley and group,

It was interesting hearing so many different thoughts on Quixtar. I, too, was presented the business. I apparently don't know as much as ya'll but I can add this comment. I have multiply friends in the business. They say it is not for everyone and my wife and I apparently are some of those that did not see "the dream". Anyway, I know for a fact, that my friend Steve's wife was able to quit her job due to this business.

My friend Tony's wife was a professor and now stays home with her four kids due to this business. Both Steve and Tony tell me they will be quitting there jobs soon to "build their businesses full time". My friend Dan's wife doesn't work but I don't believe she ever did much. Now, what I found interesting was couples of their upline both still worked so they showed me some chart on how based on volume and some other stuff that someone lower could make more money than someone higher. I don't know a whole lot but I know Laurie and Jody don't have jobs. I wish my wife didn't have to work but hey school teachers aren't rich so these guys chasing "their dreams" I guess as someone else said I should support them. They have never cut me up for wanting to teach children instead of build a business so I will not cut them up for wanting to build a business. By the way someone mentioned a group ... these guys are part of BWW or BBW ..l. Britt something.

Ashley, just a little advice from a guy. Give your man some support in whatever he does because if he is like me he only wants what is best for you and is trying the best way he knows how to do. It is all that Knight in Shining Armor crap we learn from being little. Men take care of your women.

Have a great night. God Bless.

Ashley and group,

It was interesting hearing so many different thoughts on Quixtar. I, too, was presented the business. I apparently don't know as much as ya'll but I can add this comment. I have multiply friends in the business. They say it is not for everyone and my wife and I apparently are some of those that did not see "the dream". Anyway, I know for a fact, that my friend Steve's wife was able to quit her job due to this business.

My friend Tony's wife was a professor and now stays home with her four kids due to this business. Both Steve and Tony tell me they will be quitting there jobs soon to "build their businesses full time". My friend Dan's wife doesn't work but I don't believe she ever did much. Now, what I found interesting was couples of their upline both still worked so they showed me some chart on how based on volume and some other stuff that someone lower could make more money than someone higher. I don't know a whole lot but I know Laurie and Jody don't have jobs. I wish my wife didn't have to work but hey school teachers aren't rich so these guys chasing "their dreams" I guess as someone else said I should support them. They have never cut me up for wanting to teach children instead of build a business so I will not cut them up for wanting to build a business. By the way someone mentioned a group ... these guys are part of BWW or BBW ..l. Britt something.

Ashley, just a little advice from a guy. Give your man some support in whatever he does because if he is like me he only wants what is best for you and is trying the best way he knows how to do. It is all that Knight in Shining Armor crap we learn from being little. Men take care of your women.

Have a great night. God Bless.

Ashley and group,

It was interesting hearing so many different thoughts on Quixtar. I, too, was presented the business. I apparently don't know as much as ya'll but I can add this comment. I have multiply friends in the business. They say it is not for everyone and my wife and I apparently are some of those that did not see "the dream". Anyway, I know for a fact, that my friend Steve's wife was able to quit her job due to this business.

My friend Tony's wife was a professor and now stays home with her four kids due to this business. Both Steve and Tony tell me they will be quitting there jobs soon to "build their businesses full time". My friend Dan's wife doesn't work but I don't believe she ever did much. Now, what I found interesting was couples of their upline both still worked so they showed me some chart on how based on volume and some other stuff that someone lower could make more money than someone higher. I don't know a whole lot but I know Laurie and Jody don't have jobs. I wish my wife didn't have to work but hey school teachers aren't rich so these guys chasing "their dreams" I guess as someone else said I should support them. They have never cut me up for wanting to teach children instead of build a business so I will not cut them up for wanting to build a business. By the way someone mentioned a group ... these guys are part of BWW or BBW ..l. Britt something.

Ashley, just a little advice from a guy. Give your man some support in whatever he does because if he is like me he only wants what is best for you and is trying the best way he knows how to do. It is all that Knight in Shining Armor crap we learn from being little. Men take care of your women.

Have a great night. God Bless.

Kathy no one likes to think they are brainwashed, but you are! My boyfriend finally came around to realizing that after I stopped letting quixtar groupies isololate him. And just to let ya know I went to circuit city and tried to use my "discount" and they do not honor it. Only a few do and the nearest one that did was 100 miles from my home. And a lot of corrupt companies have other companies with them. All the circuit city knows is hey this is advertisement. You just repeated the same thing quixtar jerks get you to say. Anyway lady more power to you...when you out busting butt and get no where just remember I told you so.

Unless you are selling the tapes, books, and seminar tickets your not making crap. And there products suck!!!!!! And there are more expensive than other places. The couples bucks you get back is just the difference you save in a real store. Anyway I don't care, you want to make real residual income go be an outside sales rep. for an insurance company. Im making killer money at a real legitimate health insurance company. Good luck being naive

I am a Christian and would never ever be with a company that was a scam. Quixtar has 500 partner stores. Do you really think if Quixtar was a total scam, that 500 partner stores, such as bass pro and many more would have anything to do with a company if they were a scam? I love their products, and I too have compared and I have found their laundry soap, cat food, etc to be much cheaper in the long run than even walmart. I even love their pre spot treater.Everything they have carries a 6 month money back guarantee. I am learning that one bad rep makes it bad for the rest of us. Last Christmas, I had sold some perfumes to a friend from church, and when they came they were in great shape but box had a whole in it, so I asked for an exchange. It was no problem, in fact Quixtar went the extra mile and told my client to give the other item to a charity of her choice, and when I was done the lady that took my exchange request asked me if there was anything else, and I said yes please get someone under me, and she is like I cant do that but I will pray for you. Quixtar is not a bad company like people say it is. Quixtar has always gone the extra mile for me, and my members I have. I will also tell you it is not a pyramid. A sales business is what you put into it. As I stated if they were a scam they would not be in a legal relationship with 500 partner stores. I also like the fact that I don't have to have an inventory. Quixtar does not make me buy tapes either. If I want them I order them. Please quit bashing Quixtar.

thank you SO MUCH i have this guy who talked my ear off for 2 hours about quixtar and i told him i think about it i checked out there site and i see a whole bunch of crappy products that are over priced there charging 24.99 for a 12 16oz bottles of ice tea and its a brand that i have never heard of. Well next time i see that guy i will tell him to buzz of and im glad your bf got out of that situation your story made me sign up to this site it moved me and i hope you have a happy and long life and good luck on that new business

Im so happy. My boyfriend finally has dropped quixtar and him and his co workers are starting there own business. Which now sucks bc I have to move to NC, but he is going to build a REAL business. A business that is his and only his. People sound like idiots when they say they own there own business with quixtar. You have a little itty bitty piece of something I wouldn't call it a business. But anyway, things have worked out for me now, I just hope my post has maybe helped someone not be suckered in.

Hi Ashley, I am so glad that you posted your report because people tend to brush things like this under the carpet and ignore them. The more aware people become the better.

Chances are quixtar will be around for a long time, since they are an extension of amway (which was around a long time and ended up with a bad reputation, so the name was changed). There is also a lot of money involved in quixtar and the wealthy people at the top know how to put a twist on the truth. They have more or less bought off big organizations such as the FTC, some influential people in the Republican party and have found ways around the illegal nature of their company. The best thing to do is help educate people before they get involved and, yes, "brainwashed".

You are a wise woman. I wish you all the best with your fiance. Remember, take care of You, the rest will follow.

I must be a magnet for every stupid, annoying IBO working a MLM (pyramid) scam. I can't go a month without being approached by one of these leeches.

Ashley, first of all you're boyfriend is being conned and doesn't even know it. I've been to Amway meetings, Excel Communication meetings (fell for that one), and every other "be your own boss", "work for yourself and become a millionair", "get out debt now" scam you can think of. The funny thing is that they all say the same excat things:

1) "We're not a pyramid scheme" or "EVERY company in the country is a Pyramd Scheme". This is nothing more than a con-artist trying to rationalize what they are doing. Sort of like what a defense laywer does when their client was found at the scene of the murder standing over the body with a smoking gun in one hand and a confession in the other. They'll say that every company makes money off of the people below them. That part is true. However, I have never been told by "regular" company that I'd make more money if I recruit "x" number of family or friends into my downline. I'll sell to them, but I won't hire them.

2) Every meeting is the same....a speaker who is supposedly making all this money and got out of over a $1 million dept by selling stuff. First of all, he got out of debt by declaring bankruptcy, not by selling someone laundry soap through a web portal. Secondly, there are a couple of people that are yelling and clapping realy loud in support of the speaker. They're called "plants" and get paid by the company to act as a cheerleader. I've even seen the same guy at meetings for 2 completly differeny companies!!!

3) They tell you not to discuss this with your friends or family until after you've paid your buy-in fees because "they'll only try to discourage you", but yet tell you to go recruit those same people after you've bought your distributor rights. The only difference is that after you pay your distributor rights fee, they have your money.

4) Any company that makes you pay to sell their products, pay for your own advertising (business cards, sizzle cards, brochures, etc...), pay for your own webpage, etc... can't be legit. If they are so interested in hiring me to sell their merchandise, they can hire me on a base + commission level, give me an exclusive territory and pay for my travel and business cards. My time is valuable and I don't work for free. If you want me to make an investment in your company, your company better be willing to make an investment in me and my efforts.

5) Downlines leads to over-saturation in a market. Let's see: they want me to recruit 5 people to sell. Each of those in turn is asked to recruit 5 others. At 5 levels down (or 5 to the 5th power), that's something around 3,251 (including myself) selling products. I work for one of the top telecommunication companies in the country and we don't even have that many direct sales reps in the entire northeast and we're the #1 market in the country for the company. What does that tell you???

6) Can you imagine a boss at, for example Chevy, telling a wife or other family member of his work team that they are not being supportive of someone's career and that person should get rid of them because they are going to hold them back? That supervisor would be walking away with less teeth than they had a few seconds prior. Yes, part of a family job is to be supportive, but it's also a family's job to be protective too.

Ashley, I hope your fiance wakes-up and smells the scam he got suckered into. Companies like Amway or Quizstar or whatever they're calling themselves this week are a scurge and need to be put down.

I had all these e-mails telling me my report has been updated and not one of your is pro quixtar and that is so nice to see. To the guy in Kissimee Florida, you are exactly right in everything you said. And I have kept my boyfriend occupied he has not been to a quixtar meeting since November. The groupies haven't came by in about a month and a half. Every once in a while he mentions quixtar and I change the subject really fast. He has already been brainwashed. No matter what I tell or show him he is so convinced this thing is real. And I can understand why people want it to work so bad but please wake up. I mean if it sounds to good to be true then it is. I didn't think my boyfriend was a very easy person to convince but obviously he is. He was targeted.

This guy saw him in his work clothes pumping gas and approached him. That is another thing, these people don't care about you, they start up some stupid conversation about how high gas prices are and suck you in I seen it so many times. I think the only was my boyfriend will ever get out of this is if ex IBOS tell him what a rip off it is. I made him watch the CNN report with the VP of quixtar (who is a crackhead) admitting that the money comes from the tapes, videos, seminars and he still would not listen.

The brainwashing techniques they use are too powerful. And your right they did make me look like the bad guy. I was in the emergency room for 12 hours, high on pain killers, couldn't really drive or do anything for myself and they convinced him to go to a function! So I laid in bed helpless all weekend and luckily I had friends to bring me food. They all told him I am bringing him down. One told him right in front of me that every successful man has a great lady beside him and that it is not going to be me and he needed to prioritize! What crap is that!

I had all these e-mails telling me my report has been updated and not one of your is pro quixtar and that is so nice to see. To the guy in Kissimee Florida, you are exactly right in everything you said. And I have kept my boyfriend occupied he has not been to a quixtar meeting since November. The groupies haven't came by in about a month and a half. Every once in a while he mentions quixtar and I change the subject really fast. He has already been brainwashed. No matter what I tell or show him he is so convinced this thing is real. And I can understand why people want it to work so bad but please wake up. I mean if it sounds to good to be true then it is. I didn't think my boyfriend was a very easy person to convince but obviously he is. He was targeted.

This guy saw him in his work clothes pumping gas and approached him. That is another thing, these people don't care about you, they start up some stupid conversation about how high gas prices are and suck you in I seen it so many times. I think the only was my boyfriend will ever get out of this is if ex IBOS tell him what a rip off it is. I made him watch the CNN report with the VP of quixtar (who is a crackhead) admitting that the money comes from the tapes, videos, seminars and he still would not listen.

The brainwashing techniques they use are too powerful. And your right they did make me look like the bad guy. I was in the emergency room for 12 hours, high on pain killers, couldn't really drive or do anything for myself and they convinced him to go to a function! So I laid in bed helpless all weekend and luckily I had friends to bring me food. They all told him I am bringing him down. One told him right in front of me that every successful man has a great lady beside him and that it is not going to be me and he needed to prioritize! What crap is that!

I had all these e-mails telling me my report has been updated and not one of your is pro quixtar and that is so nice to see. To the guy in Kissimee Florida, you are exactly right in everything you said. And I have kept my boyfriend occupied he has not been to a quixtar meeting since November. The groupies haven't came by in about a month and a half. Every once in a while he mentions quixtar and I change the subject really fast. He has already been brainwashed. No matter what I tell or show him he is so convinced this thing is real. And I can understand why people want it to work so bad but please wake up. I mean if it sounds to good to be true then it is. I didn't think my boyfriend was a very easy person to convince but obviously he is. He was targeted.

This guy saw him in his work clothes pumping gas and approached him. That is another thing, these people don't care about you, they start up some stupid conversation about how high gas prices are and suck you in I seen it so many times. I think the only was my boyfriend will ever get out of this is if ex IBOS tell him what a rip off it is. I made him watch the CNN report with the VP of quixtar (who is a crackhead) admitting that the money comes from the tapes, videos, seminars and he still would not listen.

The brainwashing techniques they use are too powerful. And your right they did make me look like the bad guy. I was in the emergency room for 12 hours, high on pain killers, couldn't really drive or do anything for myself and they convinced him to go to a function! So I laid in bed helpless all weekend and luckily I had friends to bring me food. They all told him I am bringing him down. One told him right in front of me that every successful man has a great lady beside him and that it is not going to be me and he needed to prioritize! What crap is that!

I had all these e-mails telling me my report has been updated and not one of your is pro quixtar and that is so nice to see. To the guy in Kissimee Florida, you are exactly right in everything you said. And I have kept my boyfriend occupied he has not been to a quixtar meeting since November. The groupies haven't came by in about a month and a half. Every once in a while he mentions quixtar and I change the subject really fast. He has already been brainwashed. No matter what I tell or show him he is so convinced this thing is real. And I can understand why people want it to work so bad but please wake up. I mean if it sounds to good to be true then it is. I didn't think my boyfriend was a very easy person to convince but obviously he is. He was targeted.

This guy saw him in his work clothes pumping gas and approached him. That is another thing, these people don't care about you, they start up some stupid conversation about how high gas prices are and suck you in I seen it so many times. I think the only was my boyfriend will ever get out of this is if ex IBOS tell him what a rip off it is. I made him watch the CNN report with the VP of quixtar (who is a crackhead) admitting that the money comes from the tapes, videos, seminars and he still would not listen.

The brainwashing techniques they use are too powerful. And your right they did make me look like the bad guy. I was in the emergency room for 12 hours, high on pain killers, couldn't really drive or do anything for myself and they convinced him to go to a function! So I laid in bed helpless all weekend and luckily I had friends to bring me food. They all told him I am bringing him down. One told him right in front of me that every successful man has a great lady beside him and that it is not going to be me and he needed to prioritize! What crap is that!

There is no such thing as retirement in Amway, yes you leave your job or other business but it is hard work every day that keeps you from loosing your business and it is not your business it belongs to your Amway bosses. If the want to get rid of you they will defame you and remove you from the business and there is nothing you can do to get it back because your reputation is destroyed.

Dont waste your time with that boyfriend and move on. You are right it is a cult and it is a waste of time and money. It is good way to get into debt. If you are in it get out and looks for another business.

A few years ago I did some behind the scenes' production work at several hotels nationwide that host these sleep deprived brainwashing dream weekend' functions.

So far, All I have seen in these Rip-off reports/complaints are how the diamonds make the majority of their money on: books, tapes, seminars and starter kits So I thought I would throw an extra log on Ashley's fire.

In addition, what they do is find the slowest weekend for the hotels in the area and buy them out at a severely discounted rate. THEN they offer an inflated discounted rate' to the 5-15 thousand people that attend. This alone turns out to be a 7 figure profit in almost every case WAY BEFORE you factor in the registration costs to attend.

David (Orlando): I like your style Speaking of bullsh**' I'm going to check with Penn Jillette to see if he has tackled this or any other MLM snake oil & medicine' side show of dreams on any of their Showtime specials yet. They would have a field day with this one!

Ashley: Sorry about your situation. I have had MANY friends in the past either:
1. Contact me out of the blue to help me pursue my financial dreams'.
(OR even worse)
2. Get mad and alienate me altogether because I didn't want to buy their d**n soap or draw a bunch of circles in some uninterested stranger's living room.

I can only imagine what it's like to have to deal with a fianc that is caught up in this sort of thing Believe me- I know first hand how they use words to make YOU look like the bad guy. It gets REALLY bad on Sunday at these dream weekend' things when they add religion to their arsenal and insinuate what God thinks YOU should do.

Okay, Chris.

Put your money where your mouth is. Here are the FACTS about Multi Level Marketing. Ashley, get your boyfriend and take some notes for his next meeting. When he starts bringing up legitimate points, they'll kick him out.

Fewer than 1% of all MLM distributors ever earn a profit and those earning a sustainable living at this business are a much smaller percentage THAN 1%!!

Personal retailing -- including nearly all forms of door-to-door selling -- is a thing of the past, not the wave of the future. The mere fact that Chris compares Quixtar to, say, Proctor and Gamble is laughable for ANYONE who knows anything about US economics, or for that matter, marketing.

Fewer than 1% of all retail sales are made through MLM, and much of this is consists of purchases by hopeful new distributors who are actually paying the price of admission to a business they will soon abandon.

So, right Chris. Encourage Ashley's BF not to follow the 98%. Those 98%, and THEN SOME are buying the competitor's marketshare. I wouldn't be scrambling so hard to get ONE FRIGGIN PERCENT of the market and expect to roll in a Benz.

People are buying products in order to secure positions on the sales pyramid. The possibility is always held out that you may become rich if not from your own efforts then from some unknown person ("the big fish") who might join your "downline."

I love watching "big fish" like Chris in action, denying that they are making someone else more money than they are making, and then DEFENDING THAT PERSON. Unreal.

And speaking of downline, the MLM business structure can support only a small number of financial winners. If a 1,000-person downline is needed to earn a sustainable income, those 1,000 will need one million more to duplicate the success. How many people can realistically be enrolled?

In MLM, everyone is a prospect. Every waking moment is a potential time for marketing. There are no off-limit places, people, or times for selling. Consequently, there is no free space or free time once a person enrolls in MLM system. While claiming to offer independence, the system comes to dominate people's entire life and requires rigid conformity to the program. That's why you pushy ones never leave anyone alone.

And BTW, pyramid schemes ARE legal, and courts usually honor the 70% rules to determine an MLM's legality: At least 70% of all goods sold by the MLM company must be purchased by nondistributors. IRONICALLY, this standard would place most MLM companies outside the law. The largest MLM acknowledges that only 18% of its sales are made to nondistributors. Even though there are LEGAL ways to run an MLM... NOBODY DOES IT LEGALLY!

Why aren't they busted? You're already leaving the business bankrupt. Who's gonna hire a lawyer?

98% of us aren't going to pay between 8-12 bucks for unknown "Satinque" shampoo because YOU sell it out of your garage. I could pay that for Paul Mitchell, a POPULAR and TRENDY product with BRAND EQUITY. (meaning: the name MEANS something to the consumer). That, and I don't have to wait for you to deliver it. It doesn't even smell good. ADMIT IT. ADMIT THAT! I know, I know. "It's Concentrated"/better value/more uses/etc. Pffffft. Whatever.

You sound more like Don LaPre than Donald Trump. That, and notice Donald Trump would be at the TOP of the Pyramid. You're a bottom feeder, and statistically, likely always will be. Now Chris, take your tail, tuck it between your legs and get back out there and sell products and sign people up. Diamond Distributors are counting on you for their new Ferrari! They have kids they want to spoil. Make it happen!

First of all...the reason I am not supporting my boyfriend is because how can you if he leaves home alone every single night for a whole year and all he got was one 10 dollar check. There is no money in quixtar! And even if there was it is not worth disattaching yourself for everyone you know. He wanted me to buy there overpriced products. I do not think so. I do not even like the products and Im not spending a fortune to get a 5 dollar rebate. Wake up Chris no one believes you make any money because you don't. Tell me why every one of those quixtar drones still have jobs? Oh wait I know ...because there not making any money.

Amway.....is....quixtar....quixtar....is...amway.

And guess what amway was a flop. And the partner stores are just putting there store link of the webpage...that does not mean anything. And oh yeah most circuit citys do no go through quixtar. I went to 3 of them who did not participate. There a only a few that do! Sorry loser get a job.

Ok let me break something down.. People make money off of other people.. your upline makes money off of you and you make from your downline.. ok good point. tell me how a corporation works?? it has employees and the manager gets paid off of performance...and president gets paid off of performance and the owner makes his profit while paying out everyone else...hmmm.. boy thats wierd... soo then McDonalds is a MLM. Proctor and Gamble is a MLM. Best Buy is an MLM..ect...... I dont think so. so how is this bad when that is how the world goes round? People make money off of others performance.. OOHH NO Major League Sports, be prepared for shock. someone owns the team... and he has "players" that work for him. if they do bad he deoesnt get paid as much the better they do the better he gets paid..now he has to go "recruit" players and tell them why its a good choice.and if the player sucks he gets traded or fired, much like you guys can in your JOBS.. now whats nice about Quixtar is you cant be fired, unless there is shady business..now there is shady business in everything. one example comes to mind... ENRON.... hhmmmm man you guys are so sharp to think of all this..

This is for ashley and all other who bash people trying to make a living. First off, I will get to the statistic in a second. OK im am part of WWDB and it is wonderful. Now for the NEGATIVE searches... i want ashley and all other people to do a word search on these things.. Mother Teresa, Republican, Democrat, National Gov. Jesus,... and see what negative things you find on those catagories. Right now more than 90% of negative reports on quixtar/amway are from Proctor and Gamble. We are in a lawsuit right now fighting that. Ashley.. thats called slander.. Now im not going to say shady people in the Biz arent there but in WWDB there are none. if somehting happens they are kicked out. Now with other families you do have horror stories with tapes and functions. Now, with any business it takes work to get it going, you BF is trying to make a difference and you should support him trying something that could beter your future what ever that may be a new job selling cars or a corporate biz or quixtar. Even if he fails you should back him 100% unless it is unethical thats called love..

Ok now the statistic... ashley and all others go check out the Social Security Admin. and see this statistic. they say the 98% of the people in this country will not be self sufficient ( meaning they have to rely on other peoples money and help to live). So why not try to break that statistic. OOHh and the labor force for the GOV. says that statistic is 99%... wow.... Donald Trump was on Letterman not to long ago and he was aked what he would do if he didnt have real estate. he said Newtwork Marketing, the people in the audience laughed and he replied, " thats why im up here and your out there".. wierd one of the richest people in the world..hmmmm.... now i have a something just for ashley.. you know you could really make a ton of money going and telling all of our 2000 partner stores that what we are doing is bad and have them stop. ( we are there best form of marketing) im sure that the Owner of Circuit City would love to know that he is making a huge mistake and doing somehting bad. You just might be on to something. and ashleys BF if you are still around keep fighting buddy dont be that 98%.. keep fighting. whatever you decide to do strive for excellence.


One more thing.. if you almost got in a physical fight for someone trying to make a difference then you need to seek help as a couple. work things out it should never get that violent. aslo if you are unhappy with his choice why dont you just leave him?? are you that selfish you wont let a man try to provide for you?? look forward to hearing what you have to say about the statistics i provided and what one of the wealthiest people in the world have to say....

First off, Ashley, I agree with you about Quixtar... They tried to sucker me in, as did Fortune High Tech marketing and Amway...
To the poster that said this is not MLM... what have you been smoking? Multi-Level Marketing is not illegal, but is borderline depending on what side of the fence the people running it seem to be on... Your upline receives part of your comissions, his upline receives part of that plus part of his comissions etc... that is the DEFINITION of multilevel marketing...
Now Adam, You say to check out several sites about whether Quixtar is good or not, and even go so far as to say that Quixtar is *NOT* amway... well, maybe you should get your links right and get away from the phony sites these comapnies have set up... First place I stopped was www.bbb.org... not bbb.com as you provided...
did a search on Quixtar and Oh NO... Look what came up:
Quixtar Corporation
P. O. Box 154
Gap, PA 17527

Amway Corporation
(Quixtar Inc)
4743 Mount Casas Dr
San Diego, CA 92117

Quixtar Internet Mall
524 N Richmond St
Appleton, WI 54911

This was just a small sample, but notice the middle one... Gee... I'm surprised! (Not!)
Funny thing is, the headquarters doesn't have that good of a rep with the BBB, and hey, for the guy that said they aren't MLM... look at this, direct from the BBB web site:

Original Business Start Date: September 1999 Customer Contact: Mr. Ken McDonald Senior V.P./Managing Director
Principal: Mr. Ken McDonald Senior V.P./Managing Director Customer Contact: Ms. Sharon D. Grider Associate General Counsel
TOB Classification: Multi-Level Selling Co., Mail Order & Catalog Shopping
BBB Membership: This company is a member.

Oh My... TOB classification is a ... wait for it... Multi-Level Selling Co.

WOW... Imagine that!

Also, see this from the BBB's web site...

Additional DBA Names

Nutrilite Products Inc
Quixtar Inc
JaRi Corporation
Amway Sales Corporation
Amway Products & Services


Again I go back to you, Ashley... I understand you see the truth this company is, and your Boyfriend does not...
My advice to you is if you love him, you support him in WHATEVER HE DOES... doesn't mean you have to participate... When he asks for your input, tell him how you really feel... some people take longer than others to swallow their pride and admit they screwed up and made a bad decision...
How would you feel if you decided to be a singer and he told you it was stupid, that no one could ever make it in the music business, that you "didn't have what it takes" etc... put yourself in his shoes...

Ashley, you should be proud of yourself for making the right decision and getting away from (sc)Amway/Quixtar/Name du jour. Whenever I use to go to Borders or Barnes and Noble, these guys use to harass me. Eventually I just got rude and told them to go away (not in nice words either).
Anyways nowadays, whenever I run into one of these so called IBO's, I just ask them that I will sign right away if they can show me few numbers on their IRS 1040 and Schedule A. After that they just disappear.

To the guy who was building his Yatch. Are you building it out of the Quixtar boxes for which you paid premium price, but you never used it because you already had lot of junk lying in your basement.

After a while it is just meaning less to argue with a person who has his blinds on. The best time to get out of this is doing the research, first time you think of joining it.

Here are some numbers
Quixtar is proud to say they have 200,000 active IBOs (someone help these poor(pun intended) souls).
Their revenue was 6 billion dollars in 2004. In retail business profits are not much (hardly 10% - 20%)but still say they had a profit of 50% 3 billion dollars.

Then each IBO, assuming equal distribution, will get only 15000 dollars. But according to their own theory the uplines make exponentially more money. So the profit per IBO on the lower levels is going to be even less. Now subtract operating expenses, even after tax benefits. Gas for going to attend all the phony conferences, hotel bills, food etc. for a year. Well if I spend that much time doing some other job or investing, I can make more money than that.
But who cares about numbers, it is good because ten other people say it's good.

-Kond.

You are not making no money from quixtar, you may have money from your day job but quit lying to yourself. Im sorry if you are in the top 5% you may be making money off the monotaneous books and seminars. This business wants you to work super hard to maybe possible retire early...so lets miss our kids life so by time the are 18 they won't have to work. They are more important things that money. And this does not even make you any money that is what is bad about it.

I think your the one a little uneducated Adam. Your just like the others in dream land. Wake up! Get a real job loser. If you think this is taking you anywhere I feel really bad for you. Everyone at those stupid meetings, have been doing this for years, still have a job! That is why this thing needs to be shut down. They didn't win no award stupid who told you that quixtar??? Quit listening to quixtar and do your own research with a nonbiased opinion.

I see Quixtar, Amway, Pre-Paid Legal, Primerica and all other MLM "opportunities" btw, if it's billed as an 'opportunity' run like hell! but anyway I see all of them as if they were a sugar-coated bullshit pill. All the 'getting rich' talk, the 'be your own boss' 'fire your boss' type language used sounds real good in the beginning.
Eventually though that sugar coating is gone and all you have left that you are sucking on is bullshit. You begin to notice that there are the same people at the same levels for years that perhaps have more experience and drive than you do, but never seem to make it any higher.
Sadly there are those who are so used to the taste and odor of all this bullshit that they don't notice the "stench" of it all when they are describing the 'opportunity' to someone who hasn't been stupid enough to take the pill. Thanks to two sad adventures into the MLM world I am well versed in the rhetoric of the blankened masses and hordes of recruiters with opportunities up their asses, which, as far as I am concerned is where they can keep them.

Dear Readers, this is my only responce to the horribly incorrect alligations against Quixtar. First off almost 100% of the crap written about this company is incorrect, and here it is true also. But don't take my word for it check out the FTC.com, BBB.com, thisbiznow.com, and the Quixtar.com websties to get actual information.

Not information from washed up losers who couldn't stick around long enough to get the correct information. I am not affiliated with any of the mentoring "groups" mentioned on this page probably because all of my upline, I, and downline are doing very well, and making money. My suggestion is get with the person who has a vested interest in your success and helping you succeed, and not taking the advice from people who feel wronged that buying your groceries at home and telling your friends about it is SO HARD! Boo h*o. This article was written with the best intentions to allow a positive reflection to be given to a great company! Hope you decide to get the right information.

Oh, and by the way, Quixtar has the Dunn & Bradstreet award, I think to date only 5 companies in the world have it. It is pretty remarkable that if it were a "scam", they have seemed to blind most of the fortune 500 companies to scam with them. Use your head when listening to idiots!

Thanks Ashley, man am I glad I didn't get sucked in. I also wanted to comment on an earlier post written by Benjamin, where he states: "Here's a test for the skeptical-put World Wide Dream Builders in the Search above-see what comes up for a 30 YEAR OLD MULTI MILLION DOLLAR COMPANY."

Guess what just for laughs I did do a search on google on "World wide dream builders" and wouldn't you know the 2nd thing that came up is a website from back in 1997 where a woman explains all the bad business practice of Amway and world wide dream builders, including convincing there downline to miss funerals of family members in order to attend the Amway functions. Reading this just made me sick to my stomach. Alot of what was written seemed similar to what has happened with your boyfriend Ashley, where A husband would want to stay with the business and the wife would be skeptical so the upline would tell that person to ignore her and your business is more important.

Can you say CULT that is what Amway was and what quixstar is.

The 3rd link from my search talks about how an emerald was willing to give the real facts about the numbers people are doing. He said that out of 700 members they spend on average 3000 dollars a year on products, seminars, books etc.
and the average member who is not a diamond makes 10 dollars a month. That sounds pretty close to what you said about how much your boyfriend made so he isnt the only one Ashley.

Oh guess what turns out Quixstars sales are actually down 3% and the way they compensated was by raising their prices 5-10% wow this company is a real winner!

Wow that sounds great you mean I get to spend 3000 dollars on worthless junk a year to devote all my free time into getting people to join the same thing, while only making 10 dollars a month for my efforts. At the same time I can disconnect myself from my family and friends (pretty much anyone who does care about me) so that I can be fake friends with all you Quixstarians. Wow that sounds great in fact I have an even better idea why don't I just castrate myself and sleep in a garbage dump.

I am so happy that you did not fall for it. It takes a very strong minded person. Some people are so desperate to believe they can get rich and have these "dreams" drilled in them that they fall for it. And you are right the top dogs only make money. It took me a year to find that out but you caught on really quickly. That is great that someone else has a brain of there own. I guess my early post didn't get posted but I told someone my name is not Elizabeth it is Ashley and to that guy that says Im brainwashed please. You say the same things all the rest of them do. You are brainwashed. Im just trying to help out the people who are on the verge of getting suckered into this. DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME OR MONEY IT IS A SCAM!

About 2 months ago I was working as a temp where I was talking to one of the workers. Who told me about his own business and how much money he was making so it sounded kind of interesting. So eventually I went to his place and he explained it in more detail. I was still interested So It lead to me speaking with his superior who was a Platinum or maybe diamond (which ever isnt as good)something I dont really know the difference. Anyway they wanted me to join Quixstar which cost 200 bucks, which I thought was really high for something I knew nothing about. but they said it was all refundable so I said ok Ill probably join but didnt give them any of my money. (no where in the contract did it say the money was refundable)

They also wanted me to attend a big conference in Virginia which they said only cost 100 dollars but was worth every penny. So I said yes I might go to that as well. In the mean time I decided to check out there weekly meeting Which in my mind I was thinking would allow me to decide weather or not I really want to do this.

When I first went to the meeting I was surprised there was about 100 people there so I was thinking wow alot of people must be interested in joining like me. So during the meeting they made it sound really wonderful and pretty much said the same thing as before. Then I stayed for the Quixstar meeting which only the members stayed for. Surprise, Surprise there were still about 90 people in the room. Thats when I started becoming really sceptical. During there meeting they promoted 3 people who came up and spoke other than that they just spoke about how to recruit more people and asked everyone there how many people did you bring to the meeting etc. It really seemed like thats all they cared about was bringing more people to the meeting. Oh they also kept telling everyone to go to the bigger meetings which cost 100 bucks to hear the highest people up speak.

Thats when I decided F%@k This! I Dont want to spend all my free time trying to get people to join a cult, it wasnt even something I wanted to join that much. I also thought well what if I could become a millionaire like they said. Then I looked around the room and said nobody hear is a millionaire they all had regular jobs and the ones in the meeting who where the highest ones there had well paying jobs like engineers. However obviously they werent making enough money to quit there job yet.

Thats when I thought well how does anyone become a millionare in this business. Its because of there big conferences they have, the one they wanted me to pay 100 dollars to watch them speak. Thats how the people at the top make money off all the suckers who actually pay 100 bucks to listen to someone speak for 2 hours.

If you think about it if 1000 people paid me 100 bucks to listen to me speak for 2 hours I could become rich pretty fast as well thats 100,000 dollars. Thats when I said no way Im done I left quickly from the meeting without saying good bye.

Recently my friend was contacted by someone and he was considering joining when I told him not to and told him why. I suggest to everyone who reads this not to join quixstar if your thinking about it and if you know someone in quixstar tell them to leave! When I went to that meeting I felt like I was in a cult and that everyone there was brainwashed.

One last point was they had everyone who was a member at the meeting chip in 4 dollars for the room. Now 4 bucks isnt alot of money but every week it must be annoying, plus the guy who ran the meeting who claimed to be so rich, well if he was so rich why couldnt you dish out the 400 bucks to rent the room for 1 night, after all you could just write it off anyway right... WRONG your not rich thats why you still work your job and you still try to prey on the weak. The only people you know who are rich are at the top and your a sucker for continually giving that person 100 bucks every time they have a conference.

I want to thank anyone who wrote a complaint like this one, because it helped me decide not to join quixstar and saved me money.

Why are you building a Yaght? With all the money you have ,why not just buy one outright? I doubt that you have enough money to rent a canoe. Ive been around for awile,and I remember when this cult/scam was called Amway! I was approached many times and saw it for the load of BS it is! When first approached none of you will admit its Amway or Quickstar. Why is that Benny? Scared youll scare off potential suckers? Everyone ive ever known in this garbage never made anything! Exept for people like you benny,who talk. Tell u what! If I had the money you claim to have ,I d**n sure wouldnt be on a message board bragging about it! Id be enjoying it.

And Elizabeth! Good luck with your situation! Im not giving you advice on that front,but I really hope your future Husband wakes up. It enrages me anytime some group tells someone who to associate with! The reason for that Is they dont wasnt anyone telling the truth about their cult!

First of all it's not MLM. MLM is illegal if either AmWay or Quixtar were MLM AmWay would have been shut down long ago & Quixtar never would have been started.

YEs, there are a LOT of people who abuse the system set up. There are those IBOs who lose their businesses when the company finds out they're using such practices. However when someone joins they do not work for AmWay or Quixtar. They have their own business. All those two names do is supply said business & provide a suport structure, similar to those who buy McDonald's franchises. The difference is that those who are supplied by Quixtar or AmWay aren't allowed to say they work for 'em because they don't.

If someone promised your money back after a set amount of time blame the person(s) that made the promise. That sort of thing is not encouraged however it's that person's business so if they're willing to back it up with their own money then it's their choice. It is rather against the Quixtar business model to pester someone. If they don't want in, that's it. If they decide to stop, that's it. I know a group here that started just a short bit ago. Within two years most of them now make thorugh their businesses that are only SUPPLIED by Quixtar as much if not more than I currently make in my job. Are they millionaires? Nope. Will they be? At least a couple of 'em probably but certainly not all.

I was in it, and probably will give it a try again when my military responsibilities allow me the time. The tapes, books, CDs, functions or whatever are not forced. They are encouraged however that's the case with anything. I don't even want to think about how many companies make millions off the military with all the training crud we use & that often is made mandatory.

Anyone who is trying to sweet talk, pressure or bully you into anything isn't 'doing' Quixtar. Anyone who is promising anything other than the chance for you to build your own business if you're willing to learn & have the time to do it isn't either. Anyone who basically forces/orders you to buy products isn't either. And with the Quixtar system, if you do it right & work harder than your upline, you can & likely will make more money than them. That fact alone means it can't be an MLM.

If you &/or your fiance entered into a new business, regardless of what type it is, without researching it thoroughly & those you are entering into it with (ie, your upline/particular group) thoroughly then you shouldn't be entering into your own business. You're not ready for it.

Sounds largely like anyone who tries to rebutt it in any way is brainwashed to you. If they don't agree 100% with you they're brainwashed. Considering most who've answered have provided personal experiences contrary to what you've said, yet agreed to some of what you've said about those coming around pestering you to be the wrong types I'd say it seem syou're the one who's brainwashed if anyone. You're closed off the the possiblity that you just got hit by some of the ones who unfortunately try to take advantage of a good system.

I wish you & your fiance luck getting away from the ones you're under. It sounds like they're a short stick away from getting a restraining order against 'em. Perhaps sometime you'll find a group who actually knows what they're doing & how it's supposed to be done.

So many of you are right about the Quixtar and Amway story. I am an ex IBO. and I have probably more toward the top of this thing than anyone on here. I have a, lets say close relative in this business that is a founding diamond. (those of you in the business know what that is) she has been in this for about 30 years or so. Did she make money? yes she did but how. wellshe got in at the ground level. and she stil works the business and shows the plan 2 times a week. But I can say that she makes no where near what she used to make. yes she has money but it is from investments and properties. I also know she has grown children who are in the business and grew up in the business and my question is this. If they have been in the business all their lives and have grown up with this why do they have regular jobs? if it works so well why do they work for a living and do this on the side? and for the ones of you saying I am full of crap let me drop a couple of names for you to see if I know who I am talking about. Dr. Waters,Dexter Yager, ummm and others. I have also been to some of the events. and I have also been invited to visit with Dexter back stage due to who I know.

If you are making so much money why are you looking up rip off reports on quixtar? Oh wait I know because your not making money. Oh unless you are ripping off your underlines with book, tapes, etc.

I'm sorry to hear about your negative experience with people asssociated with Quixtar. That is unfortunate. My experience has been entirely different. I consistently see annual income in excess of $50,000 a year. It has allowed my wife to be a full time Mom and home school our kids. It demands less time than my other company I own. We find great fulfilment in working together as a couple and have a great time traveling with friends we've made as a result of our business endevours. Maybe your confusing Quixtar as a company with the business associates you choose to work with and their leadership. What most forget is that in business you're paid for production not hours. I've found when you do the volume Quixtar pays the bonuses they've published. Lot's of luck with finding a better business.
Enjoying my choices in life!
Lowell
Ps
By the way I'd suggest you contact Quixtar at 1800-263-6500 and return anything you'd like to. I've never been refused a refund. But you do have to contact them. They can't refund it without you doing so. In fact anytime I've had someone start to believe those that write articles like this and decide to quit. Quixtar not only have refunded their money but let them keep their intro merchandise for a souvenier!

Ashley,

Questioning his ability (ie: "brainwashing") is going to eventually hurt his pride. It gives him the opinion that you don't trust him, or his judgement - EXACTLY the response Dream Builders tells him to expect. That's because THEY believe in him more than you do, supposedly. (Never mind he's just another dollar in some chumps pocket, and you know his inner feelings). You're acting JUST like they say you will in the playbook.

My personal (and unsolicited, for the record) opinion is that if you love him, support him in WHATEVER he does. When he gets discouraged and asks for advice or input, give it to him straight. THAT is when it will make the most impact, not the daily discussions about how someone is making a fool of him. I know they are. YOU know they are. But he doesn't.

However, if "his dream" is to be a Dream Builder Blah Blah Chump-tard, and he's willing to chase that dream while your rent and bills go unpaid, then he is in the wrong for not having his priorities straight.

But in all fairness, don't take his hunger, drive and sacrafice and stick a negative label on it. He will think you always will, no matter WHAT he does. That same hunger, drive and sacrafice will eventually make him successful, even if it's not here. Him knowing that you're behind him will make him even more motivated and balance him too.

Going hungry over a job is insanity. And you'll hear the talking heads at DB-WTF say that they were living in a cardboard box before they "found their niche". They probably were. They weren't successful because of the drive alone - they were successful because they were hungry.

It takes all kinds. :)

Just some insight from a guy's perspective, that's all.

That is all quixtar is...amway with a name change. You know I did all this research...printed hundreds of papers.I went to show my boyfriend these and he got offended and thinks that I think of him as gullible and brainwashable and I do not trust his judgement. Am I right or not when I say "if you are brainwashed how would you know it?" That is all quixtar is about. That is why it is so repetitive. Eventually you start repeating the same things over and over again. That guy trying to play off being rich in an earlier post, he says nothing no one has not heard before. I think it is hilarious when people pretend they make money of this thing. It is definately not enough money to quit a job. But next time its brought up I will have to tell my boyfriend I am not stupid enough to support this "business" and I don't want to be a "dream stealer" so leave me if this is what you want to do. The funny thing is....his dreams became different when quixtar came along. It is not his dream, it is quixtars dream for him. He dropped out of college for this crap so I can understand why he is so desperate to make it work. I just think it is so sad how they are destroying more lives than improving. And if anyone knows a way to shut this thing down let me know please. I do love my boyfriend but I can't live like this anymore. I cannot sit home alone every night while he is out thinking he is making something out of himself. It is too sad.

Guy I know wants to introduce me to a "business opportunity". Has some other dude come into my store and present me with 10 ways to make my life better, if only I will put in a "few" hours a week and on weekends. They present me some vague business plan for selling items on the internet. Being the "business man" that I am, I ask what items and at what price. The moron says: "We're" affliated with some of the largest companies in the U.S. and "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE SELL THE ITEMS FOR". HELLO!!!! "It doesn't matter what we sell the items for". I knew we're in for a problem. Unless we're selling to the US government, price does matter. He says I need to attend a "meeting" to find out more. Well the guy I know is kind of a friend, so I agree to attend their Sat. afternoon meeting. Back in 1993, another "friend" got me involved with amway. Stayed with it for several months, lomg enough to find out what a ripoff IT was and how alot of the people involved were morally and ethically challenged. Anyway, I arrive at their meeting and it's the same amway crap all over again. If I pay the $175 fee, I GET $65 WORTH OF AMWAY CRAP. If I sign up I get a check for $6 dollars right away from MCI. Of course I have to change over my long distance carrier. I have to laugh, back in '93 it was a instant $2 check when you joined up and you got $45 worth of amway crap. The same blaring speakers, playing patriotic music, yelling out, handclapping, if I didn't know better, I'd have thought I'd walked into a religious revival. The first clown gets up and badmouths all the "suckers" who he talked to who didn't sign up, then they bring on his odiot, meek, submissive wife who parrots his line. Then they announce that next week some "diamond" will be in town and for X amount of dollars, we get the rare opportunity to see this guy. The amazing part was I got to see this guy TWELVE YEARS AGO. Quixtar is just a rehashed amway. Same crap different package. In my earlier post I suggested you jetison your boyfriend. You later posted you almost got into a fight. It's gonna get worse. You were correct about some quixtar weenie posting. Get while the gettings good.

Nick....awesome....just....awesome...nice to know some people still live in reality

Benjamin:
We get paid two ways, running volume of product(not tapes), and making leaders.

Right. You get paid by selling overpriced items that most customers would NOT want or buy at the store, unless they were getting credit for their own "Sales".

As far as making leaders, only exclusive, one-track-minded people can "shave away" all of the "non-supportive" friends and family away to "reach their goals and dreams".

That exclusitivity equates to a cult.

I have a special disdain for any company that encourages you to "choose positive environments, free from negativity or distraction", when those enviroments can be an otherwise normal thing: like a happy family.

World Wide Dream Builders? What kind of hokey, a*s-poke, flower-dust, psuedo-optimistic sunshine-in-your-crack nonsense name is that? Thought up, no doubt, by a hippie induced with a bad mixture of King Cobra, hashish and Moby.

As a kid, I dreamed of pawning off cheap wares, having a bunch of "optimistic, motivated" people under me doing my dirty work so I can get richer off of their residual income. No, that is a LEARNED process. And even the best sellers can't sell a heater in the antartic, but they can manipulate their friends into joining up. Oh boy, you fill them up with visions of riches and tell them if they just sacrafice everything to get there that they will...

... and they do... and they don't.

Benjamin Said:
Here's a test for the skeptical-put World Wide Dream Builders in the Search above-see what comes up for a 30 YEAR OLD MULTI MILLION DOLLAR COMPANY.

And what's your branding rank in Newsweek every year?

What is your brand equity?

Liquor companies are doing better than you.

Using that logic, Ashley's boyfriend should become a professional distiller. He'd have a better chance of:
1. selling a product people want
2. no pressure sales
3. equity
4. branding
5. fame
6. money

... than to recruit 100 worthless people struggling to recruit other worthless people, hoping that SOMEWHERE down the chain, you'll find a sucker to sell enough to pad everyone's pockets.

If he is going to do all that work, at least take a chance on something people like. Instead of taking so much time to 'surround yourself with optimistic people', he could surround himself with successful people.

I'm a dream stealer, too. And living paycheck to paycheck.

At least I'm not living in a cardboard box like some of the "dream missers" end up in.

Okay first off...unless you are in the exlusive group making money off rallies, books, tapes, and so forth, your not making money. Sorry sweetheart but you are kidding yourself. You must have never seen the dateline interview with the VP of quixtar (who is wanted for cocaine charges) admit that the scam behind this thing is the rallies and books. Or how about the lawsuits against quixtar. Go to a search engine and put in quixtar and see how many things come up with the word cult.

Oh but Im a "dream stealer". Gosh your so typical it's funny. My boyfriend did all those steps. Guess what it hasn't worked for him or his upline!

I wish I could remember this link but basically it has everything quixtar says and how it resembles a cult.

The first time I went to a rally that was my first response....wow this looks like a cult. Anyways have to cut this one short...but Im glad you tricked yourself into thinking your making money but when you come to reality ...don't worry I won't say I told you so.

So take care...have fun buying overpriced products and bringing in a 10 dollar check every month rich guy. LOL

#1. I am anything but fake.(it's easy to type behind a keyboard isn't it)
#2. You are being so unreasonable(and don't care)
#3. I have made money(you also don't care)
#4. I am about to retire in the next several months.(again...)
#5. Every single mentor of mine is already retired or going to in the next few months.(you probably don't believe it, but I don't care on that one)
#6. You can sit on here and pretend to be informed for the rest of your life,I don't buy it.(I really don't)
#7. You don't have to buy it, I don't care, I am in the process of building my Yacht and dream house THIS YEAR. (what now?)
#8. I have looked at over 30+ "real businesses" before, this one is the highest ROI I have seen.(true, put them down on paper and see for yourself.)
#9. It's not for everyone, apparently some people are lazy. (and unaccountable)
#10. There hasn't been 1 reported case in 30 years of someone not making the advertised $ in WWDB if they did the 9 steps consistently. Show me your boyfriend's calendar and I can tell you why he made 10 bux. (true in my own biz)

You are copping out and don't care, just remember one thing. If it worked as advertised for me then it CAN work for anyone WHO CAN COPY. B@#$#, scream, and cry a river if you want, He is trying to create a better life, and you want the old one-who is right? Which one is better in the long run? (You act like the building phase is going on forever and a day. It's temporary-was for me)

We get paid two ways, running volume of product(not tapes), and making leaders. How much volume did he run? 200bux? well why the HE!! are you suprised that he made 10 bux? Oh wait, YOU DON'T CARE, nor are you really reading this because you are trying to think of a negative response to reply of how brainwashed I am and how this destroyed your life. (well nothing is perfect.)

You think staffing a company with interview meetings and running volume of product are the devil apparently, It is obvious YOU HAVE NEVER RAN A "REAL BUSINESS" BEFORE ASHLEY. Because you HAVE TO DO THE SAME DA#* THING in EVERY SINGLE "REAL" BUSINESS OUT THERE. And you CANNOT do it on top of having a FULL-TIME JOB and succeed very well.

You are extremely angry and bitter so regardless if this was the best biz in the world it wouldn't matter, so this is my last post, there is nothing I can really say to HELP you which is the reason I wrote in the first place. How is that for fake. "I dare one of you quixtar groupies..." Obviously you were looking to vent some anger and try to destroy someone's dream from the get-go but your attempt has failed horribly. I am no groupie but you attacked me anyway...I am truly sorry for your loss ashley, I pray you might find what you are looking for elsewhere in a man and in life. Good luck to ya! God Bless you love.

If you cool off one day and have some legitimate
evidence or questions I would be happy to answer them for you. Until then, ta ta.

It so typical of you to rebutt just like quixtar has brainwashed people to respond. Hello this is amway with a name change! Quixtar encourages my boyfriend not to be around me b/c I am skeptical. I think all the people are fake and trust me I met a lot of people. My boyfriend went out every night...went to all the stupid functions...and he still has not made over 10 dollars. His uplines would love for him to leave me. They told me that I need to be supportive or he will do it without me. Im like more power to him. Im not waiting around in hopes that this not a scam. Im not that stupid. And last night we got into the nastiest...almost physical fight ever over this business. It is the worst thing that has ever happened to me and I wish they would stop bothering us so we can go back to being happy. I love how all you folks try to make it sound like your successful. The only people profiting are the big dogs making money of functions and books. And I feel sorry for you. People are so desperate to be rich they get their little hearts crushed in the long run. Quit being so lazy....go to school...own your own REAL business. And the tax thing is not true....they like you to think everything is free right it off right it off....right our government is not that stupid.

I am no Quixtar freak by any means, but from what you have described your boyfriend is not associated with the right people that use quixtar as a supplier. There are many scam companies that use Quixtar as a supplier- I have met some of them. I would say 80%+ of them even.

I'll put it this way, There are over 2000 independent companies that use quixtar as a supplier. Just because you have an ibo # does not mean you are destined to make any $$ at all. I sympathise with you about the brainwashing and pestering, those type of people in any type of company shouldn't be allowed to conduct business.

I have fortunately met a group of extremely professional, real, high integrity, highly successful men and women that are prosperous in all areas of their life. They just so happen to use Quixtar as their supplier. They are a part of World Wide Dream builders. This corporation is ONE of those 2000 that actually do almost 75% of the entire volume of Quixtar's 1.4 Billion last year, the other 1,999 companies make up the other 25%. WWDB is responsible for creating more 6 figure residuals than any other company in the world period. They are second to Microsoft to creating millionares. I am involved with World Wide Dream Builders, and almost embarrassed to say I am involved with Quixtar at all(we actually try to avoid contact with them, as much as can be)when I hear stories like yours, because how grateful I am to be with WWDB. (2% divorce rate! they actually teach you to make "date nights" and keep romance alive in different ways...) It is always been WHO you know in business not WHAT you know. I know several people personally that saved over $2500.00+ in taxes last year from WWDB.(WWDB Actually works WITH the IRS and does your taxes for you!!!)

The point of my post, If you HAD to choose your boyfriend EVEN with this business, You might as well put him in the most successful environment in the world of Quixtar with REAL people and morals and integrity, as possible. I would be willing to put my word on it, FIND a associate from WWDB, and get your boyfriend around them. I willing to bet if you are not lying to us about what you said above, You want him to get a grip, you WILL NOT REGRET IT. That kind of behavior NEVER IS PROMOTED EVER- AT ALL in WWDB. As-a-matter-of-fact we have 5 cardnial rules that you have to abide by (if you don't you can lose your right to work with us)
#1.-
#2.Never pass negative to anyone
#3.Never embarrass anyone
#4.Never mess with anyone's money
#5.Never mess with anyone's spouse

Here's a test for the skeptical-put World Wide Dream Builders in the Search above-see what comes up for a 30 YEAR OLD MULTI MILLION DOLLAR COMPANY.

I was expecting a rebuttal of a quixtar freak. Oh by the way I meant to say defend not depend earlier. I was in the heat of the moment. My fiance has drifted away from quixtar for the moment but those freaks keep stopping by the house trying to brainwash. But when he starts back up I am going to make him choose between me and quixtar. I can't deal with him leaving me alone every night for a 3 dollar check. I can't stand those phony people. Maybe I should just move to Texas......

Get rid of the guy now. You'll save yourself alot of pain and suffering in the future. If you think you're having problems now, before the wedding, they'll be ten times worse after. "My fiance and I have had nothing but arguments over this so called business". quixtar is just a rehashed amway. You can't blame the poor guy for trying to better himself, just his method of doing it. A marriage takes two people, working togeather, to work and it's not happening here. Good luck. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders.