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Complaint Review: Wynn's Extended Care - Brea California

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  • Wynn's Extended Care 675 Placentia Avenue Brea, California U.S.A.

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On Sept 30, 2007 my 2003 VW beetle went to the local VW shop to diagnose and resolve a hard downshift in the transmission. Basically, whenever I come to a stop, 3,2,1 gears all slam in to place. Codes were pulled off the computer and no diagnostic information was obtained, so the tech dropped the pan off the transmission and filtered it for debris. After finding metal parts, it was certified as "needs replaced" and submitted to Wynn's for approval.

Wynn's refused the claim and stated that it would not be paid unless the transmission was torn down and the fault was identified. Not an unreasonable request, unless of course the transmission in question is not servicable. At first I was skeptical, I believed Wynn's when they said that any certified transmission shop would have no problem with a teardown and diagnostic, but here I am over five weeks later still trying to satisfy their "required proceedure".

I'm not a mechanic, and I don't know anything about transmissions, so I rely on the advice of those professionals to lead me in the right direction. So far, I have seven different shops from around the United States validating the VW dealerships claim that my transmission "can not be diagnosed through teardown, as no proceedure exists to do so, and no parts are available for purchase even if someone could".

If anyone out there is a specialist, I would love to hear from you on this. The car is a 2003 VW New Beetle, but it has a 2004 Aisin 6-speed automatic transmission model 09G. The VW shops that I've spoken to have all said the same thing "sorry, there is nothing we can do for that transmission, call your dealer for a replacement". The final straw for me was when I called German Transaxle (((link redacted))) and asked the same question. The response I received was a resounding "you will not find a single shop in the US that will be able to do anything for you other than replace your transmission." Here's a quote from their Web site.

"Since inception, German Transaxle of America has built well over 30,000 gearboxes. German Transaxle of Americas specialists have almost 90 years of combined experience working with German-type transaxles. There is no other company, German Transaxle is aware of, that has anywhere near this amount of experience working on these challenging units.

German Transaxle of America, inc. rebuilds: 4-Speeds, 5-Speeds, 6-Speeds, Automatics, Final Drives (differentials) for most Volkswagen, Audi, and Porsche automobiles built in the last 40 years."

Now, if these people tell me that they can't help me; I'm inclined to believe it.

Out of 4 weeks of phone calls and documentation, Wynn's is instant that I follow their procedures, and once I have the unit torn down and inspected, they will consider authorizing repairs. I have talked to no less than six different people at Wynn's, sought the help from the local company that sold me the warranty (Tom Tannahil from Montana Auto Brokers here in Kalispell) and I am no closer to repairs than I was five weeks ago. The only person who has even said that they would "comply with Wynn's requirements" was a gentleman from an AAMCO in Spokane. However, after looking through his diagnostic information on the computer, he conceded that "in the end, we're going to end up simply replacing the unit for you".

Someone please tell me: Am I being unreasonable? The only reason that I can even think that AAMCO would state that they would satisfy Wynn's was so they could get the work instead of my local dealership. And the only reason that I am not taking the car to them is because I have 290 miles away! So far, I have paid for two towing bills, one analysis at a local transmission shop and wasted dozens of hours time from hard working people who have better things to do that fight with a warranty company. Why should I now spend even more energy moving the car 3 hours away on a car hauler, to have the same thing done to the car that should have been done locally five weeks ago?

Is a warranty company allowed to demand that something be done that no one is willing or able to do? Isn't this a truly unreasonable request to try and skirt their responsibilities and contractual obligations to me? I paid for this contract in good faith, and trust me.. it wasn't cheap.

This morning, I just about went ahead and authorized the VW dealership to go ahead replace the transmission, but decided to consult the advice of a local attorney first. She promptly pointed out the fact that others on this forum have stated so plainly "If you do that, you are in breach of contract for having the repairs performed without prior authorization". This would be a simple way for them to never pay a dime.

Unfortunately, Wynn's.. If you're reading this, I'm in this for the long haul. I will not cave, I will not falter, I will not pay for these repairs myself. As you can see, I've already had the car towed twice around town. Both transmission shops stated that the car was definitely "drivable", but you're not going to catch me on that hole.. I've already read that "if I drive my car after being diagnosed as needing repairs, any damage caused is not covered".

This morning I contacted the Consumer Protection office in my state and filed a complaint with them. If that proves unsuccessful, I'll be enlisting the help of the attorney I spoke with in an attempt to file a breach of contract suit against both you and the dealer that sold me the contract.

If I'm lucky, I'll have the car back by next spring when I'm able to drive around town with the top down once again. I guess I should consider myself fortunate that I at least had the foresight to request the names of your representatives that I spoke with, and kept a journal of our conversations. I am reasonably confident that I will win in the end, its just unfortunate that youre going to spend many times more for something in the end, when your primary intent was to just try and save a little.

Shane
Kalispell, Montana
U.S.A.

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#4 Author of original report

Wynn's comes through and stands behind their commitment to customer satisfaction

AUTHOR: Shane - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, November 01, 2007

This afternoon I received a call from Wynn's with a resolution to weeks of heartache and frustration. I would like to thank their management team for taking the time to investigate and substantiate the claims in my original post, and for making decisions to rectify the situation.

I fully understand the complexity of my situation taking in to account a very specific transmission and the remoteness of my geographic location. Wynns accepted that while their standard procedures are correct for the majority of these situations, mine was truly unique and required a solution outside of the typical play-book.

Many people had a hand in resolving this; I would like to thank Tom Tannehill from Montana Auto Center as well as Brad , Ryan, Dan and Todd at DePratu VW, as well as any others whom I have forgotten, and those who worked in the background that I havent met.

I admit to becoming frustrated at times, and too would like to apologize to those who were simply doing their job during the course of this claim. In a perfect world, this would have been handled much sooner, but I respect the procedures of the companies involved and am simply grateful that there is now a light at the end of the tunnel.

For those of you who have lost faith in used car warranty companies. Wynns has agreed to replace a transmission at a value of just under $5,000; three times the face value of the purchased contract. It took a little perseverance and patience on my part (okay, a lot of patience) but in the end, they did indeed hold true to their commitment to me, their customer.

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Just do what they want

AUTHOR: Carl - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 31, 2007

Make sure there is no core charge...then tear it apart...what will you lose? Your report said the only fix is a new trans, let em' look at all the parts...try to price the needed ones, they pay for the tear down and a new trans + the scrapyard will pay more for the metal!

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#2 Author of original report

We've already been there..

AUTHOR: Shane - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, October 30, 2007

While I appreciate your response, it doesn't help any more than the gentleman from AAMCO 4 hours away who stated the same thing "Sure, we work on all transmissions, bring it on over".

My car 'was' in with Flathead transmission, and the owner there was the one that reported back to Wynn's that he is 'unable' to satisfy their requirements, and is not willing to open a transmission blindly which he has no diagnostic proceedures for, no schematic information on, and knows that there are no parts available for it, even it the problem was glaringly obvious.

If your family does indeed own this business, I would sincerely appreciate their input on exactly what they would do to this specific transmission, if it were presented to them in their shop. I have two ATRA shops here in town telling me to go back to the VW dealership and buy the replacement transmission I need.

One shop out of Oregon who has fixed 30,000 gearboxes on all makes and models of German cars telling me that my only solution is to go back to my VW dealershop and buy the replacement transmission I need, and I have VW of America telling me that these shops are correct, after their own internal investigation, they have all satisfied the required and available diagnostics and come to the correct conclusion regarding replacement.

If your family's company can provide information to discredit these individuals, I would be elated to read it, because it would mean a possible light at the end of the tunnel for me. I requested the same information from AAMCO, and was politely told they were unable to satisfy my request, but if I would just bring them the care, they could surely take care of it.

The model number is in my original post. Please, ask them to plug the car and transmission in to their diagnostic tools, and tell me what their proceedure would be on this specific transmission, after finding metal parts in the oil pan.

If my transmission can be "fixed" I would be more than happy to have it "Fixed".. but I feel that I am being bullied by this warranty company in to doing something that will at best, cause me hours more of wasted time and money. How can someone be asked to give a diagnostic report on something that they have never been trained on, never done before, and dont' even have the aid of computer diagnostic equipment to walk them through?

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wynns warranty and transmissions

AUTHOR: Danco Transmission Cincinnati - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, October 26, 2007

I think you need to find an ATRA certified transmission shop (automatic transmission rebuilders association) and tell them to tear the transmission down and have them call wynns to send an adjustor to look at the unit after it is torn down. It is then that they will assess the damage and pay to have the transmission repaired or replaced if repair is not possible. My family owns the leading transmission specialist company in Cincinnati (Danco Transmission Specialists) and working with Wynns Extended Care is a part of our daily routine. Kalispell Transmission Center and Flathead Transmission Specialists are the only ATRA shops on record in Kalispell, Montana. The reason I recommend an ATRA shop is because ATRA shops follow a code of ethics and any repairs done at these facilities are warrantied nationwide by any other ATRA repair shop which makes them more honest than those that are not ATRA certified. You can search for ATRA transmission repair shops at www.atra.com. Comparatively speaking, Wynns has been a pretty decent warranty company to deal with and I do not believe they are trying to get out of paying for your repairs, but rather they have a procedure that must be followed before they will pay for any repairs. Even if the transmission cannot be repaired for whatever reason, it still needs to be dismantled so that in can be inspected by Wynns adjustors. They don't just take anyone's word that the transmission needs repaired. I hope this has been some help to you.

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