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Complaint Review: B&H Photo Video - New York New York

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  • B&H Photo Video 420 9th Avenue New York, New York U.S.A.

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I recently bought a MacBook 13" from B&H Photo Video (a large online electronic retailer). After I received the product, opened it and installed, I realized that I received the old version of MacBook 13" (2.16 GHZ, Intel GMA 850) and not the new version (2.2 GHZ, Intel GM X3100).

When I called to complain, the customer service had said that I had actually chosen this product spec and since I already opened the product, I could not return nor exchange.

I noticed that I actually bought this product spec but in my mind I was getting the new version of MacBook and B&H's site made everything possible to induce me to purchase the old version, so they could get rid of the old inventory. Here's how they mislead me:

1) when I went to the site and put the search for "MacBook 13", the first item that appeared in terms of "relevance" was the 2.16 GHZ MacBook. Apart from that, the entire description of the product was the same as the 2.2 GHZ version that is sold at B&H as well as Apple.com at the price US$ 1,299. (Leopard OSX, 120 GB, 8x SuperDrive DVD-RW, DL, etc..). And they even put in the specs list that the operating system is Leopard OSX- NOT TRUE !! The installed version is Tiger OSX, Leopard comes in a separate DVD for installation, because this was the OLD VERSION made originally for the Tiger system. It would be MORE HONEST to say that the installed operating system is Tiger OSX.

2) In addition, if the search was by relevance, the next product that should appear on the list is the 2.2GHZ MacBook 13". But this was NOT THE CASE, since this newer product only appears after 14 other MacBook laptop SKUs, and just before the accessories list !! (So they went through all the effort to put the new version at the END OF THE LAPTOP LIST !!)

In other words, anybody who was not paying 100% ATTENTION to the specs description would have bought the old version of MacBook 13" (2.16GHZ, Intel GMA 850) for the SAME PRICE (US$ 1298) of the new version MacBook 13" (2.2GHZ, Intel X3100) !! According to a site that measures speed, the 2.2GHZ is faster than the 2.16 GHZ version

In performance the MacBook 2.2GHz is ..

Processor Single ... 10% faster
Processor Saturation ... 14% faster
Graphics Card ... 20% faster
Hard Drive Multi-File ... 2% slower
Hard Drive Single -File ... 28% faster

QuickTime Encode Satuation... 8% faster
Photoshop Filter Suite ... 12% faster

According to the customer service of B&H the two specs had similar speed - AN ABSOLUTE LIE !! When I asked them if it was not obvious that if customers had a choice, they would have ALL BOUGHT THE NEW VERSION OF MACBOOK 13" FOR THE SAME PRICE AS THE OLD VERSION here was their response "You can not assume that. Some people prefer the old version". This is TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS ! SO WHY WOULD APPLE launch the 2.2GHZ version in the 1st PLACE?

This ACCOUNT is so that ALL ONLINE SHOPPERS ARE NOT FOOLED BY B&H PHOTO VIDEO AGAIN. I WAS TOTALLY MISLEAD INTO BUYING AN OLD VERSION FOR THE SAME PRICE AS THE NEW ONE AND I DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN TO OTHER HONEST SHOPPERS WHO BUY AT B&H.

Edson
San Francisco, California
U.S.A.

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#11 Consumer Comment

B&H has always been fair with me...

AUTHOR: J.m. - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, February 29, 2008

Well, I gotta say Edison, I am shocked. B&H has always sent me the correct orders and I have ordered from them over a few dozen times. They have never, ever led me astray like other photo retailers online or in person. The folks at B&H take great pride in giving the upmost service to their customers and treating them with honesty and fairness.

I would have to say, while I am completely sympathetic to your situation as I know I would be ripped if I got what I thought was the wrong product, I will have to defend B&H. Perhaps a gentler tone might help you resolve your issue with them. Everyone -- I MEAN EVERYONE -- I have ever spoken to there has always been very happy to help. And none of my orders (at one time) have ever come even remotely close to the price of your MacBook. So I would think they would be especially acquiescent to you being that you have paid a great deal for your computer.

A good rule of thumb with Macs... no offense to B&H -- but I always buy from Mac directly, that way I ALWAYS know what I'm getting. Mac has always been very up front and forthright with their customers. You always know the scoops when you buy from them directly. B&H is a Photographer's store -- and that's the only equipment and items I would ever buy from them. That's really their area of extreme, extreme expertise.

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#10 Consumer Suggestion

Wake up

AUTHOR: Lisa Dash - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, January 19, 2008

It is your responsibility as a consumer to be aware 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#9 Author of original report

Small discount from B&H

AUTHOR: Echang9 - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, January 06, 2008

Henry,

I appreciate the small discount, but note that B&H's competitors (see link below) offer the same product specs for US$ 1099. With the discount of U$ 100, I'm still paying US$ 100 extra for this older version of Macbook than if I bought elsewhere.

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#8 Consumer Comment

Another B&H Supporter

AUTHOR: Sandi - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 03, 2008

I had a similar situation when I ordered from B&H once, though it was for a much lower dollar amount. I ordered the wrong item, realized it once the order was delivered. I called them, got the correct one arranged. They had me ship back the incorrect piece, which I did. The thing that amazed me, though, is they shipped out the correct item, even before receiving the returned item back. Never in a million years would I have thought they would do that. Because of that incredible service on such a small order, they have been my first (and only) choice for any camera equipment I order.

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#7 Consumer Comment

B&H is one of the best and most honest camera dealers out there....

AUTHOR: J G Shrugged - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 03, 2008

It is your responsibility to confirm what exactly you are buying! B&H, as you see from Mr. Posner's response, is one of the best and most honest camera dealers out there. They will make things right; but again, you have to double check what you are buying, no matter what store!

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#6 UPDATE Employee

B&H replies ....

AUTHOR: Henry - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 03, 2008

While we regret Echang9's obvious dissatisfaction and ire, his report is incorrect. The item he selected, placed in his online shopping cart, and subsequently received has a different product code than the item he apparently wanted. The two are both listed on our site and it's understandable he might have selected the wrong one inadvertently, particularly since the two had the same retail price. He received what he ordered.

He purchased the Apple # MB062LLA - B&H # APMB216S13W, but apparently wanted the Apple # MB062LLB - B&H # APMB22S13W.

His complaint is that the order in which we presented our replies to his search query was misleading. The search engine's returns vary depending on what exact search phrase was used. Many databases return search queries with products listed in the order they were posted to the site. Our web site permits the visitor to sort replies by several criteria including price (high-to-low or low-to-high), relevance, brand (a-to-z or z-to-a) or description (a-to-z or z-to-a).

We are sorry Echang9 feels he was mislead and in the interest of customer satisfaction are issuing a $100.00 refund to him. We regret his dissatisfaction but disagree with his unfounded allegation that this was a conspiracy of some sort.

Henry Posner
B&H Photo-Video

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AUTHOR: Henry - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 03, 2008

While we regret Echang9's obvious dissatisfaction and ire, his report is incorrect. The item he selected, placed in his online shopping cart, and subsequently received has a different product code than the item he apparently wanted. The two are both listed on our site and it's understandable he might have selected the wrong one inadvertently, particularly since the two had the same retail price. He received what he ordered.

He purchased the Apple # MB062LLA - B&H # APMB216S13W, but apparently wanted the Apple # MB062LLB - B&H # APMB22S13W.

His complaint is that the order in which we presented our replies to his search query was misleading. The search engine's returns vary depending on what exact search phrase was used. Many databases return search queries with products listed in the order they were posted to the site. Our web site permits the visitor to sort replies by several criteria including price (high-to-low or low-to-high), relevance, brand (a-to-z or z-to-a) or description (a-to-z or z-to-a).

We are sorry Echang9 feels he was mislead and in the interest of customer satisfaction are issuing a $100.00 refund to him. We regret his dissatisfaction but disagree with his unfounded allegation that this was a conspiracy of some sort.

Henry Posner
B&H Photo-Video

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#4 UPDATE Employee

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AUTHOR: Henry - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 03, 2008

While we regret Echang9's obvious dissatisfaction and ire, his report is incorrect. The item he selected, placed in his online shopping cart, and subsequently received has a different product code than the item he apparently wanted. The two are both listed on our site and it's understandable he might have selected the wrong one inadvertently, particularly since the two had the same retail price. He received what he ordered.

He purchased the Apple # MB062LLA - B&H # APMB216S13W, but apparently wanted the Apple # MB062LLB - B&H # APMB22S13W.

His complaint is that the order in which we presented our replies to his search query was misleading. The search engine's returns vary depending on what exact search phrase was used. Many databases return search queries with products listed in the order they were posted to the site. Our web site permits the visitor to sort replies by several criteria including price (high-to-low or low-to-high), relevance, brand (a-to-z or z-to-a) or description (a-to-z or z-to-a).

We are sorry Echang9 feels he was mislead and in the interest of customer satisfaction are issuing a $100.00 refund to him. We regret his dissatisfaction but disagree with his unfounded allegation that this was a conspiracy of some sort.

Henry Posner
B&H Photo-Video

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#3 UPDATE Employee

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AUTHOR: Henry - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 03, 2008

While we regret Echang9's obvious dissatisfaction and ire, his report is incorrect. The item he selected, placed in his online shopping cart, and subsequently received has a different product code than the item he apparently wanted. The two are both listed on our site and it's understandable he might have selected the wrong one inadvertently, particularly since the two had the same retail price. He received what he ordered.

He purchased the Apple # MB062LLA - B&H # APMB216S13W, but apparently wanted the Apple # MB062LLB - B&H # APMB22S13W.

His complaint is that the order in which we presented our replies to his search query was misleading. The search engine's returns vary depending on what exact search phrase was used. Many databases return search queries with products listed in the order they were posted to the site. Our web site permits the visitor to sort replies by several criteria including price (high-to-low or low-to-high), relevance, brand (a-to-z or z-to-a) or description (a-to-z or z-to-a).

We are sorry Echang9 feels he was mislead and in the interest of customer satisfaction are issuing a $100.00 refund to him. We regret his dissatisfaction but disagree with his unfounded allegation that this was a conspiracy of some sort.

Henry Posner
B&H Photo-Video

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#2 UPDATE Employee

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AUTHOR: Henry - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, January 02, 2008

While we regret Echang9's obvious dissatisfaction and ire, his report is incorrect. The item he selected, placed in his online shopping cart, and subsequently received has a different product code than the item he apparently wanted. The two are both listed on our site and it's understandable he might have selected the wrong one inadvertently, particularly since the two do had the same retail price. He received what he ordered.

He purchased the Apple # MB062LLA - B&H # APMB216S13W, but apparently wanted the Apple # MB062LLB - B&H # APMB22S13W.

His complaint is that the order in which we presented our replies to his search query was misleading. The search engine's returns vary depending on what exact search phrase was used. Many databases return search queries with products listed in the order they were posted to the site. Our web site permits the visitor to sort replies by several criteria including price (high-to-low or low-to-high), relevance, brand (a-to-z or z-to-a) or description (a-to-z or z-to-a).

We are sorry Echang9 feels he was mislead and in the interest of customer satisfaction are issuing a $100.00 refund to him. We regret his dissatisfaction but disagree with his unfounded allegation that this was a conspiracy of some sort.

Henry Posner
B&H Photo-Video

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#1 Consumer Comment

B&H Photo Video defense - order of search results not a scam

AUTHOR: Tom - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 01, 2008

I've ordered merchandise from B&H Photo Video for several years and have always been satisfied. While I sympathize with the plight of Edson, I don't believe the order of the search results constitutes a scam. His search for MacBook 13 exactly matched 14 items. In my experience with database searches, when multiple items are exactly matched, the database will return the items in the order in which they were entered into the database. Therefore the most recently entered item (the "newest" one) would be the last item in the list.

I've found when a search results in more than a few items, it's a good idea to resort them by price. If Edson had done that, the 2 Mac laptops in question would be listed next to each other. That might have led Edson to wonder why the two were the same price and compare them more closely.

Finally, I don't think someone answering a customer service line would necessarily be aware of the nuance of difference between an Intel GMA 850 and an Intel GMA X3100 since they have nearly identical clock speeds. Edson is correct that the X3100 processor is faster but I wouldn't expect everyone to know that. B&H is primarily involved in cameras and video equipment; computers are definitely a sideline for them.

Again, I appreciate Edson's frustration but I believe it should be chalked up to 'live and learn'.

Tom
Folsom, California

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